Old Fat Dude wrote:
Wait for it...wait for it...RUN, FORREST, RUN!
I'm surprised it took this long.
The author of the article is to be commended for his restraint. Not many journalists have the dignity to pass up an opportunity like that.
Old Fat Dude wrote:
Wait for it...wait for it...RUN, FORREST, RUN!
I'm surprised it took this long.
The author of the article is to be commended for his restraint. Not many journalists have the dignity to pass up an opportunity like that.
HA HA THAT WAS A JOKE he used the least clever title possible.
Watching college football I think there are a number of players, particularly wide receivers, who could be great 800M-5000M runners. Not right away of course, but if they lost the unnecessary muscle weight for football and committed themselves to a quality training program for a year or two they could possibly be elite. And a few could be Andrew Wheating type talent.
I think its worth it for Nike to put feelers out to college football coaches to send them any players that can't make it in the NFL but are otherwise great athletes and don't have any career path laid out. What the heck. Give those guys a try out and an interview. See where their head is at and maybe give them a little money to live while they train. You don't have that much to lose and plenty to gain.
You would have to go a lot of tiers. Most of the top receivers are all 100/200m type guys in HS. I doubt the 800m and is their event. You would be better off trying to get all those 47 low guys to run the 800m. Your odds still will not be great.
Ryan Foreman wrote:
Watching college football I think there are a number of players, particularly wide receivers, who could be great 800M-5000M runners. Not right away of course, but if they lost the unnecessary muscle weight for football and committed themselves to a quality training program for a year or two they could possibly be elite. And a few could be Andrew Wheating type talent.
I think its worth it for Nike to put feelers out to college football coaches to send them any players that can't make it in the NFL but are otherwise great athletes and don't have any career path laid out. What the heck. Give those guys a try out and an interview. See where their head is at and maybe give them a little money to live while they train. You don't have that much to lose and plenty to gain.
Let's not forget Todd Williams was also a football player until his latter years of high school - he just happened to run and play football.
they are 100/200 guys because they have played football all their life. Not necessarily because they are naturally disposed to 100/200. Actually I think mentality is the biggest road block to a football player going to middle distance running. Do they have the patience and concentration to train for it without there being tacklers to dodge. But I see little in the way of physical barriers once they lose the artificial football phsyique they created.
asdfasdfasdasdfasdfasdfa wrote:
You would have to go a lot of tiers. Most of the top receivers are all 100/200m type guys in HS. I doubt the 800m and is their event. You would be better off trying to get all those 47 low guys to run the 800m. Your odds still will not be great.
Ryan Foreman wrote:Watching college football I think there are a number of players, particularly wide receivers, who could be great 800M-5000M runners. Not right away of course, but if they lost the unnecessary muscle weight for football and committed themselves to a quality training program for a year or two they could possibly be elite. And a few could be Andrew Wheating type talent.
I think its worth it for Nike to put feelers out to college football coaches to send them any players that can't make it in the NFL but are otherwise great athletes and don't have any career path laid out. What the heck. Give those guys a try out and an interview. See where their head is at and maybe give them a little money to live while they train. You don't have that much to lose and plenty to gain.
There was guy on my high school team who ran 17:34 for 3 miles as a 7th grader(12 years old) and now is a junior in high school. He plays wide receiver and linebacker and is 6'2 210 which is nearly a foot taller and 100 pounds heavier than he was as a 7th grader.
look up Juha Mieto. World class in discuss and cross country skiing.
I am a believer that athletic ability allows you to succeed at any sport. Running is simply not matter of pure aerobic endurance, it is a function of how fast you can run. How fast you can run is a function of coordination and fitness which are strongly correlated with athleticism. There is a myth out there that power/speed people will inherently suck at endurance sports and vice versa. Not true. Good athletes will succeed at any event.
I agree with this. Walking the hallways of just about every school is a statet level team...some schools find most of them...those that find all of them go to NTN...
Go find them...they are playing soccer....
Yeah, just like how FloJo took down the marathon record. Followed by Lance's incredible performances in NYCM.
xcskier wrote:
Good athletes will succeed at any event.
Look up Jacob Burcham from WV. He's only in 10th grade and has ran almost sub 15 and last year he was a quarter back... One of the best runners in the nation and only in 10th grade!
OK I thought the Great American course was supposed to be hard and I'm sure it's legit. How does this explain the times of Bishop Hendricken's top five at GAXC vs. at the Manchester, N.H. Invite one week earlier?
MI/GAXC
Ryan Meehan 16:29/15:19 -70
Andrew Andraka 16:33/15:57 -36
Drew Manning 17:04/16:08 - 56
Nick Chrones 17:13/16:39 -34
Tyler Henseler 17:48/16:43 -65
Mark Vuono 17:50/16:24 -86
Ben Marino 18:33/17:12 -81
That's an average improvement of just over a minute, and even if you neglect the #6 and #7 guys as outliers it's still 52 seconds. The Manchester course is tough but not *that* slow.
Either the Hendricken team--which finished a close second at Manchester and was sixth at GAXC--sandbagged in NH or someone spiked the team Gatorade supply with grain alcohol before the race.
1500 meter Olympian Jason Pyrah played football throughout his high school career in Willard, Missouri. He never ran cross country. I think he was a defensive back. I don't know how good he was. Pyrah wasn't very big.
There have been several meets at the Wake Med Course.
It is difficult, but likely short.
However, let's look at the top times ever at this course.
http://ncpreptrack.net/WakeMedAT.html
Jake Hurysz 15:12 (ran 8:49 and 14:46 at Mcalpine)
Brian Atkinson 15:11 (14:57 at Mcalpine, Footlocker finalist, and Florida state champion)
Blake Williams 15:18 (14:52 at Mcalpine, Footlocker kid, 4:11 and 9:04)
last year the NXN regional was won in a slower time than this football player.
15:38 was an NXN individual qualifier.
The course is fast, but the all time list of this course CERTAINLY justifies this kid's credibility.
xcskier wrote:
look up Juha Mieto. World class in discuss and cross country skiing.
I just looked him up. Nowhere did his athletic bios mention the discus throw. Or were you saying he was a world class "discusser" (good talker?) ?
xcskier wrote:I am a believer that athletic ability allows you to succeed at any sport. Running is simply not matter of pure aerobic endurance, it is a function of how fast you can run. How fast you can run is a function of coordination and fitness which are strongly correlated with athleticism. There is a myth out there that power/speed people will inherently suck at endurance sports and vice versa. Not true. Good athletes will succeed at any event.
Very interesting theory. Now go find me a world or national class sprinter who was also a world or national class distance runner. If your theory is correct, it should be AT LEAST based on a few examples.
Do some homework wrote:
There have been several meets at the Wake Med Course.
Oh rlly????? Thx!!! Cool name 2, Ya fukken ding a ring!!!!!
Look: I am not interested in debating the length of the course as that is not the point (although I don't reckon anyone south of, say, Richmond knows how to count to 5,000 anyway, or even 3.1, unless the average number of incestuous sexual encounters before age 18 is involved).
Do some homework wrote:
the all time list of this course CERTAINLY justifies this kid's credibility.
Once more 4 tarrrrrrrrdddddddz!!!!!!: This is about the Hendricken team, not the football-player-turned-runner. I know he's good. If you can't address my original query, please recuse yourself from the thread and shove flaming hot objects up your bunghole for good measure.
Wellington Road wrote:
Either the Hendricken team--which finished a close second at Manchester and was sixth at GAXC--sandbagged in NH or someone spiked the team Gatorade supply with grain alcohol before the race.
or, or, OR......
the NH course was longer than 3.1 and/or a much tougher course
the conditions (rain, mud, wind) were much tougher.
There are other possibilities, correct?
(I did like your "incestuous" comment about the south though. Funny stuff)
Wellington Road wrote:
Do some homework wrote:There have been several meets at the Wake Med Course.
Oh rlly????? Thx!!! Cool name 2, Ya fukken ding a ring!!!!!
Look: I am not interested in debating the length of the course as that is not the point (although I don't reckon anyone south of, say, Richmond knows how to count to 5,000 anyway, or even 3.1, unless the average number of incestuous sexual encounters before age 18 is involved).
Do some homework wrote:
the all time list of this course CERTAINLY justifies this kid's credibility.
Once more 4 tarrrrrrrrdddddddz!!!!!!: This is about the Hendricken team, not the football-player-turned-runner. I know he's good. If you can't address my original query, please recuse yourself from the thread and shove flaming hot objects up your bunghole for good measure.
Maybe you should not change the topic of the post, since it began with the football player turned runner douchebag!
The wake med course is a compacted crushed gravel surface that supplies plenty of bounce back. I think if this course were to be all grass it would be much slower.
Sir Lance-alot wrote:
or, or, OR......
the NH course was longer than 3.1 and/or a much tougher course
the conditions (rain, mud, wind) were much tougher.
There are other possibilities, correct?
Ordinarily I'd agree, but I'm familiar with the course at Derryfield Park and the weather and conditions were not unusual for the meet this year
maybe this wrote:
Maybe you should not change the topic of the post, since it began with the football player turned runner douchebag!
Maybe you should master the art of thinking about more than two variables in the course of a single day, Ritalin-face. And in addition, maybe you shouldn't call the kid a "runner douchebag." Anyone can ta;k smack on the Internet, so you better watch your mouth because if we were standing face to face right now you'd soon be lying in a ditch with your ass all kicked in and stuff. I'm just saying.