Could Wheating end 2010 as one of the best 800-1500/mile runners in the World???

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15 years ago 07/28/2010 4:38pm EDT

re: Perspectivation

Perspectivation wrote:
Oldtimefan wrote:
1 KIVUNA, Jackson Mumbwa KEN 1:44.86 1:45.40
2 LEWANDOWSKI, Marcin POL 1:43.84 1:44.56 1 6
3 MULAUDZI, Mbulaeni RSA 1:42.86 1:43.78 4 2
4 KIPLAGAT, Richard KEN
5 RIMMER, Michael GBR 1:44.68 1:44.98
5 YEGO, Alfred Kirwa KEN 1:42.67 1:45.14 1 6
6 SOM, Bram NED 1:43.45 1:45.21
7 RUDISHA, David KEN 1:42.01 1:42.04 8 1
8 TANGUI, Sammy KEN 1:49.39
THIS is why Wheating won't get into a race that could pull him to a fast time. With 8 lanes his PR would NEVER get him into this (or any similar) races field.
For clarification, I'm assuming those second times are season bests? Not sure what the case is for the 1:49 guy or the no time guy, but several guys are right around 1:45 flat. Perhaps a good agent could make the case that Wheating ran 1:45 on a double and won by a second, not a diamond league meet? Perhaps he could you PRE as an indication that his fitness is only improving?
It's up to his agent (who happens to be a great one) to get him into a fast 800, but it's likely he can find an 800 that goes at least 1:44, that should be better than ones that goes 1:46 and he goes by to win it in 1:45.
Plenty of season left to get in the right races.

Looks like Wheating is now in his second diamond league 800, after placing 4th in his first go.

15 years ago 07/28/2010 4:41pm EDT

re: Oldtimefan

Oldtimefan wrote:
1 KIVUNA, Jackson Mumbwa KEN 1:44.86 1:45.40
2 LEWANDOWSKI, Marcin POL 1:43.84 1:44.56 1 6
3 MULAUDZI, Mbulaeni RSA 1:42.86 1:43.78 4 2
4 KIPLAGAT, Richard KEN
5 RIMMER, Michael GBR 1:44.68 1:44.98
5 YEGO, Alfred Kirwa KEN 1:42.67 1:45.14 1 6
6 SOM, Bram NED 1:43.45 1:45.21
7 RUDISHA, David KEN 1:42.01 1:42.04 8 1
8 TANGUI, Sammy KEN 1:49.39
THIS is why Wheating won't get into a race that could pull him to a fast time. With 8 lanes his PR would NEVER get him into this (or any similar) races field.

Oooops :-)

15 years ago 07/28/2010 6:39pm EDT

re: Oldtimefan

You are silly. You remind me of that clown who said wheating didn't deserve to get into the A heat at PRE.

What was his name?

I need to ring you tools when a big fight comes up and ask you who will win, so I can put all my money on the other guy.

15 years ago 07/28/2010 6:46pm EDT

re: Perspectivation

No, Wheating will not rank on any existing points system because he hasn't run enough races on the circuit, which after the break, is winding down.

15 years ago 07/28/2010 6:59pm EDT

re: Les

Les wrote:
No, Wheating will not rank on any existing points system because he hasn't run enough races on the circuit, which after the break, is winding down.

If you look at the OP, I think it's hypothetical and taking into account his consistency throughout his whole season PLUS the summer.

His top times would obviously come from diamond league meets (like they do for all the top runners) but his NCAA victories weigh in a bit in terms of racing consistency and performing.

If he runs 2 x 800s and 2 x mile/1500s this summer (which appears to be the case) isn't that enough to judge from anyway?

It would be for me.

Laalou has run faster in all 3 (800/1500/mile)

Kiprop in two events (800/mile)

Nobody else is faster in two of these three events than Wheating which in my book makes him the 3rd fastest 800-1500/mile man this summer thus far.

And his consistency seems to be on their level as well, unlike a Manzano for example.

15 years ago 08/13/2010 3:10pm EDT

re: Perspectivation

Perspectivation wrote:
Looking at the 800 bests of all the milers in the Bowerman PRE mile I noticed than only a few have 800 marks that are better than Wheatings old 1:45.0
Wheating ran 1:45.X at the NCAA final in the midst of doubling and dominated a field of 1:45 & 1:46 runners. I'm thinking Wheating has a long overdue 800 PR coming in the range of 1:44low or 1:43.
If that were to happen and even IF he didn't improve his 1500 or mile PR the rest of the summer that would surely put him up there in terms of world caliber as an 800/1500 guy.
Who in 2010 could be better than that? Would he be top 5? Top 3? If he were to improve on both, where would he be? In the company of very few.
Obviously it's hard to determine who is "best", but the way I think it's fair to determine would be a point scoring system based on:
1) Times = 10 points
2) Consistency of competing = 8 points
3) Consistency of times = 6 points
Obviously this is a loose system and open to interpretation but hey, that's what discussion is for. Admittedly I haven't done much research on this but feel free to share thoughts or facts on the subject.

Wheating is at least the bronze medalist now for the title this summer. The 1:44 low today against that field is at least worth 1:43 high.

So times awesome. 1:44.3, 3:30.9

Consistency of competing awesome. 5th, 4th, 4th, 2nd

Consistency of times, better than awesome. Continual PRs.

Roughly 3:33, 1:44.6, 3:30.9, 1:44.3

I'm throwing out the block by Kaki last week since the other 4 races speak for themselves what happens when he isn't blocked in the last 200.

He's gotta be tired or at least peaked for the season physically, but perhaps a 1500/mile next week? I see a PR if the race is fast, or at least another shot to win.

15 years ago 08/13/2010 3:40pm EDT

re: robby andrews couch

he should be and very likely is done for the year with tonights race in london.

4 years ago 06/29/2021 11:56pm EDT

re: Perspectivation

Bumping to show how Wheating was considered the next great miler in the U.S.

4 years ago 06/30/2021 12:14am EDT

re: eatyermfnwheatings

eatyermfnwheatings wrote:
I thought Wheating was a badass taking on the slew of 1:45 & 1:46 guys with the Robby Andrews pressure on a double at NCAA's. Not only did he take it on, he stamped badass down the homestretch. He was clearly in another league. Comes back the very next day to outkick numerous 3:36/3:37 guys.
Yet remember how many people doubted him? Said he shouldn't get into PRE, and then when he did that he'd get killed.
Hahaha. Dude is ON THE LEVEL.
1:50 800 with one shoe as a frosh (indoors) - no fluke
3:54 1500 in HS first track season ever (not even on a team) - no fluke
3:38 1500 as a college soph, closing in :26 and winning (3rd track season ever) - no fluke
1:45.0, 2nd place at Olympic trials - college soph, 3rd year runner - no fluke
winning 2009 ncaa 800 with a calf strain AND stomach illness - no fluke
sub 4 season opening "jog" this year - no fluke
drilling down 3:35 man on the indoor DMR - no fluke
coasting thru 1:46 & 3:37 at regionals - no fluke
800 AND 1500 wins at NCAA in the same meet - no fluke
This guy is for real, and he is RAW. A lot of last year hampered by a calf injury, mono and a stress fracture. Webbs mile AR and the 1500 AR are both in jeopardy.

This is the kind of promise Andrew Wheating possessed in the eyes of many in 2010.

4 years ago 06/30/2021 12:23am EDT

re: HashTag

HashTag wrote:
Bumping to show how Wheating was considered the next great miler in the U.S.

You mean many in this thread not saying that? Ok.

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