What 400m pr is required to run a 2:10 marathon

What is your best 800? Mile? 5000?

Out-of-Wedlock Danny wrote:

george malley, a 2.12 guy, never broke 58.

Exactly for what reason did you make that post?

I Wuz Thar wrote:

Mbarak Hussein Jan 20, 2008 ... MBARAK HUSSEIN Event: Marathon Height: 5-8. Weight: 140 ... 2004: Ran personal best of 2:08:10 in Seoul, Korea…best of 2:08:10 ...

Formerly a middle distance specialist, Hussein was an NJCAA champion in cross country as well as in both the 800 and the 1,500 meters for South Plains Junior College; later, he also won national titles in the 800 and 1,500 while at Lubbock Christian University, an NAIA school.

Ran 47.8r.

Hussein ran 1:46/3:37 in the early 90s.

Ol Billy Boy wrote:

Looking at the website for (2:09)Bill Rodgers Running Center he posts 4:18 as his mile PR. How far under 64 could he go? I don't remember him having a lot of speed.

Rogers ran 28:04 on the track in 1976. Do you really believe he could only run 4:18? I've done 1200 repeats with him finishing at 3:09 and Rogers was just as light on his feet as always. Pretty sure he could run 4:05 if he ever raced one.

I ran 1:56.2 indoors for the 880 as a freshman in college and never improved. I ran 4:13.2 on 3 different occasions after I began serious marathon training. I always felt I could have run faster, but I had poor coaching. When I finally figured out how to train, I never really trained for anything other than the marathon, which I suppose restricted my performance at shorter events. Almost every race I ran short of a marathon were part of my training for the next marathon (and this was true for even a few marathons). It was hard to pop great races by training through them; but this was by design. I only considered 3-5 races per year to be important enough to ease off in my training.

malmo wrote:

Ol Billy Boy wrote:

Looking at the website for (2:09)Bill Rodgers Running Center he posts 4:18 as his mile PR. How far under 64 could he go? I don't remember him having a lot of speed.

Rogers ran 28:04 on the track in 1976. Do you really believe he could only run 4:18? I've done 1200 repeats with him finishing at 3:09 and Rogers was just as light on his feet as always. Pretty sure he could run 4:05 if he ever raced one.

With all respect sir, that is the reason for my question; I do not know. The original question, that I do not feel is relevant to a good marathon, is thought provoking. The data I posted came from the source and was the slowest of individuals I could document.

Running 2s off your 400m PR for 1500m is awesome. Why couldn't he maintain similar splits for every other distance. Why wasn't he running 5ks at 62s pace, halfs at 64 and marathons at 65?

Out-of-Wedlock Danny wrote:

george malley, a 2.12 guy, never broke 58.

First, there is often a big difference between a marathoner's 400m pr and his ultimate ability in the 400m if they devoted a few years to training for it. Many of these guys' 400m prs may have come at the end of a 12x400m workout or something.

That said, I would guess that if you can run 2:10 you should be able to run at least 58 seconds or so for 400m off of marathon training. Most 2:10 guys will be quite a bit faster.

I'm basing this off of the 2:20 guys who I've known and dropping their prs by 7%.

dasfasd@hasd.com wrote:

Running 2s off your 400m PR for 1500m is awesome. Why couldn't he maintain similar splits for every other distance. Why wasn't he running 5ks at 62s pace, halfs at 64 and marathons at 65?

Out-of-Wedlock Danny wrote:

george malley, a 2.12 guy, never broke 58.

Looks like he did, 57.1 on August 3

Come on it is hand timed. You need to round that up to a 58. I am sure those 2x800 @ mile pace were just a bit of a warmup.

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dasfasd@hasd.com wrote:

Running 2s off your 400m PR for 1500m is awesome. Why couldn't he maintain similar splits for every other distance. Why wasn't he running 5ks at 62s pace, halfs at 64 and marathons at 65?

Looks like he did, 57.1 on August 3

http://www.bunnhill.com/BobHodge/rtp3.htm

I actually ran a 51 split on a relay back in the day

question master wrote:

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The absolute bare minimum is 57 400m speed to run sub 2:10. Bill Rodgers 400m pr was 57. His mile pr was 4:18.8. But the man was built to run marathons and he ran miles like it was no one's business.

60second 400 can equal a much faster mile then 4:40.

My best 400 is high 59 and if I ran my 1500 pr pace for 1 mile I would run 4:39. Later the day of my 1500 pr I ran a 60.2x 400. I haven’t even gotten close to running the pace of a 2:10 marathon for 3000 metres (9:15 3000 approx), so I’m clearly not a runner who is better at the longer distances.

59-60 400 is easily enough 400 speed for at least a 4:30 mile, and I would say it’s at least fast enough for a 4:25 mile for a slow twitch type runner.

De Castella could apparently only run a 58 400, and he could also close 5000s in 58.

He ran sub 2:10.

Bob Kempainen ran 2:08 but clocked around 60s on an all out 400 in college. I, on the other hand, could run 52s during college, but struggled to break 2:26.

Fifty-two years ago, 2:10 Marathon was a solid goal for a male. A male 2:10 Marathoner 52 years ago had a coin flip chase of earning Olympic medal and an opportunity to win a large Marathon. This is an outdated thread. Top 100 Marathoners today, no doubt are (49 to 54) seconds 400m men. That should be the goal as a teenager. Trying to improve 400m speed as a college 10000m athlete is difficult. Get fast as a teenager when you can.

I recall back in the day, that Alberto ran a mile in close to 4:00 but said that he could only run a 400 in 58 seconds. Thought it was a joke back then and still think the same today. I would guess he was more in the range of 55.

to the original question, I suspect one would need the ability to run about 60 seconds for a 400

Salazar is the name that often comes up when this kind of thing is discussed. I remember hearing back then that his best 400 was 57, but that would have had to have been in a workout. He may have never run a 400 in a race since even in high school he was training with the GBTC instead of running a leg of his school's 4x400 or 4x440. He probably could have run 55 or something in a race but probably never did it.

I don’t know of any sub 2:10 marathon runners who weren’t capable of at least a 3:50 1500m or 4:08 mile. Based off that they would have to be capable of at least a 55-56s 400m.