IT'S ON: Bernard Lagat or Chris Solinksy next 5000m AR at Bislett

ventolin^3 wrote:

moron

one race was won in 26'42 & the other one of 27'01 had splits of 13'48/13'13 !

if you think sol wouda been finishing in 1'56 in a 13'13 last 5k with already 13'48 in his legs, you are even more of a moron than i thought feasible

Ventolin3

Your very immature to resort to naming calling because someone simply disagreed with your nonesense. Stop basing ALL your simply posts on assumptions and projection tables. I wish you would stop posting on threads I created with your limited running experience. Your definitely not worth my time replying to in anything you post in the future!

GOODBYE

You really cant base this on past results. Champship races generally have heats, recent ones I think of have been hotter weather, and pacing is often erratic. There are not that many races where the finish is that fast or needs to be that fast, so I think there are more atheletes that are capable of finishing in 1:56 or better.

FWIW, under the IAAF scoring tables, Solinsky's 26:59 is worth 12:55.

Could he get the record? Sure he could. Will he? Who knows.

And Lagat should have it in him as well. We could see both go under it or neither even break 13:05.

That one oughta be barn-burner.

But why isn't Teg in it? I thought after Stanford Solinsky said he and Teg were running the 5,000 there. Any info?

moron

i only disagreed with your complete nonsense

complete f***ing idiot

i said one race of kennster was in 26'42 & another one of 27'01 had 5k finish of 13'13

there is no table or projection there, just simple logic that you are too stoopid to comprehend - namely they are much better than a 26'59 run at near level pace & only a moron woud compare a 1'56 finish in latter to former 2

imbecile

it's a complete lost argument when an idiot has to resort to use any purported running background as superior to others

for all the f*** you know i might be a 3'25 guy, so that means i can squash any drivel you throw up

whatever pathetic time you may have run doesn't inversely correlate to your running knowledge - or didn't you know that ?!

then pack up your drivel & f*** off for good

Is this the Ventolin that has been around for a long time? This is not the type of posting I've seen from you in the past. I've always liked your projections, despite others' objections to it.

But what is all this name calling, Ventolin? What has gotten into you? This is not your usual self.

VIPAM wrote:

ehhh and Vent3

probably as the poster before Vent said...at present, I'd say by ventolin. In the last two MAJOR championship one alittle faster than Chris Solinsky (less about 1/2 second a lap) and one that went out slower than Solinsky. Yet only two athletes was able to close as fast as Solinsky. Big choge, Kogo, Zersenay had their chances in the same races as Kenenisa and Sileshi-when they accomplished the feat) but besides Kenenisa and Sileshi the OTHERS DIDN'T DO IT!

Stop all the guessing and assuming about who could (only two in the last 2 years actually have)- the guy closed like very few could in any sub 27 minute 10000m!

VIPAM is offering an illogical argument. NOBODY is necessarily trying to close a 10,000 in 1:56. That in itself would almost never be a goal, so the fact that it is not being done is close to irrelevant. As an example, Moses Masai came through 5,000 meters at the front at the WC in Berlin last year in 13:40.45. He then ran his second 5000 in 13:16.94 to finish in 26:57.39 and get the bronze. Masai was trying to medal, not necessarily run a certain time for his last 800. Masai has run 26:49 and 12:50. I would guess he can run with Chris Solinsky...

The Stache wrote:

Is this the Ventolin that has been around for a long time? This is not the type of posting I've seen from you in the past. I've always liked your projections, despite others' objections to it.

But what is all this name calling, Ventolin? What has gotten into you? This is not your usual self.

Ummmm, yes it is. If anyone disagrees with his projections (which for the most part are not based on anything even resembling the natural world or past statistics) then he calls them imbeciles or morons.

it seems you are also too stoopid to read :

there is no table or projection there, just simple logic that you are too stoopid to comprehend - namely they are much better than a 26'59 run at near level pace & only a moron woud compare a 1'56 finish in latter to former 2

VIPAM wrote:

I know you wasn't refering to me but 12:50 has everything to do with it as thats the mark Bernard Lagat said he would like to run before 2012. I don't see why he couldn't do it this year in the right conditions and pacing.

To the poster who said, "don't know why everyone is crazy over Chris Solinsky last 1:56 800m." BECAUSE there is very few who have shown such ability even in the last World Championships and Olympics!

2008 Olympic 10000m

last 200m, 400m, 800m

1. Kenenisa Bekele....27:01.17 (26.2, 53.4, 1:54.4)**

2. Sileshi Sihine.....27:02.77 (27.4, 54.8, 1:55.8)**

3. Micah Kogo.........27:04.11 (28.2, 55.8, 1:57.5)

2009 World Championshis 10000m

1. Kenenisa Bekele....26:42.31 (last 1000m 2:28.58)**

2. Zerseney Tadese....26:50.12 (last 1000m 2:36.39)

3. Moses Masai........26:57.39 (last 1000m 2:43.65)

only Kenenisa was able to cover the last 1000m or 800m in pace of 1:56 (800m) or faster

**Faster than Chris Solinsky last 800m of 1:56. So that's why everyone is so crazy over Chris Solinsky 1:56 last 800m!!!!

VIPAM, you lose credibility with your erroneous statistics. Bekele ran 26:46.31 in Berlin, not 26:42. Therefore your last 1000m for Bekele is also off the mark by 4 seconds...

For the record, I think it was clear that I mentioned the 1:56 not to suggest that others can't do it, but to emphasize that Solinsky can. So to say that a race has to be won in 12:50 in order for the AR to be broken implies that a) Solinsky can't finish a 5,000 as fast as he finished his 10,000; and/or b) that Bislett will certainly be won by someone running faster than 1:50 for the last 800.

That's surely wrong, and it doesn't even approach the strangeness of yyy's conviction that Lagat will be outkicked by the winner by at least 6 seconds.

I hate to say it, but here's what I see going down. I see the Solinsky fanboys getting all worked up when Chris has the high socks-a-flappin and is rushing on the pace trying to prove his 26:59 into a sub 13 5K.

Well the fact is the 2 don't translate (he's obvious proof of that) and he'll be doing the exact opposite of what allowed him to run 26:59, go into a race with absolutely no real time expectations OR finishing place expectations while being extremely fit and "on". That kind of thing can happen maybe a few times in a career and for some never.

The truth is that will never happen again in the 10K again and it surely won't happen in the 5K where he's banged his head hard and not gotten under 13:10 and been dusted in international championship competition. Whatever he does now at those distances will be with expectations going into it, making it more of a challenge.

Getting under 27 again will be just as hard as getting under 13:10 has been for him in the past 3 years.

Can he get under 13? Yes, at some point. Is he going to run under 12:56 this summer. 0% chance. I'd bet on 3 americans running faster than him this summer for 5K and that's if Ritz and Webb don't even race it. It is however assuming that Teg will get healthy and race.

laughable

What in the world. Ventolin having a mental breakdown with name calling because posters don't agree with him. Others assuming that Chris is still in the same 5000m shape even after his 10000mAR. I see now that this board is filled with even more inexperienced and knowledge challenged posters than I imagined.

Bernard Lagat certainly is capable of breaking the 5000m AR. Do I know what Chris will run come 4th June- no but I do know he is in better shape than his current 5000m PB!

gotta agreee with slowinski..

cs will pull a allan webby (broke the ar for the mile in a no name field) but when it comes to depth will blow it

such is the fate of american runners

i was only pointing out deficiencies of a moron

trying this :

http://www.jundo.co.uk/

sol's 26'59 off a current 1500pb of 3'37 ->

12'58.1

however, his 1'56 finish & rest of uneveness previously indicates near 26'46 abilty that day - call it 26'50

26'50 with still 3'37 ->12'55.2

however, it'd be a shock if he was "only" still a 3'37 guy off his current form with that finish - gotta think 3'34 - 3'35

3'34 - 3'35 / 12'50 ->

12'51.6 - 12'52.8

he can follow pace close to 12'50 right to the finish...

Anybody know what time the race is? preferably in PDT but I can convert if need be.

haha, YO (super serial) wrote:

CaptainKilla wrote:

An AR record being set is about as likely as Marissa Miller blowing me while Bar Rafaeli tongues my asshole, and Keira Knightley sits on my face.

Questioning the logistics on this one. If someone was sitting on your face how could Bar get to your asshole?

No this could work. it would just be uncomfortable for Bar. but it could work.

Please shut up as you two should stick to junior varisty track in which you probably know alittle about and not elites. Two athletes who already ran 12:51 this season will be in the race and Lagat routintely outkicks Eluid Kipchoge (who ran 12:51 this year already). Eliud can request pacesetters for a designated pace and I'm sure he's gonna want to try and break away from or burn the speed out of Bernard Lagat.

So yeah 12:50 has alot to do with it- wake up or shut up!