Ok, but you get my point, right!
I doubt many major marathon winners are going to publicly slam Hall for his last few races.
Ok, but you get my point, right!
I doubt many major marathon winners are going to publicly slam Hall for his last few races.
at least Hall is honest... read his twitter ppst at
admits it was a rough day. everybody has them. even the jesus christ of our sport
I hate to burst any bubbles, but while Bairu (and I mean no disrespect to him) was relaxing in the hotel with the other athletes Hall was putting in 4-5 hour shifts every day from Wednesday until Saturday (promoting our sport). Of course, he would still have expected to run faster than he did, but 99% of the posters on this thread should conserve their words because they will only have to eat them later.
Who gives a crap whether they would or not? Major marathon winners don't have the market cornered on insight. Do you look down on any other sports commentators simply because they have not ascended to the competitive heights of that sport? A lot of people can know whether or not LaDanian Tomlinson played well yesterday without ever having been NFL MVP or top rusher for an NFL season or even playing a single down in high school. Last I checked, Christopher Kelsall doesn't appear on any all-time lists anywhere yet is that reason enough to completely discount what you advocate for training? Or what you think Hall's performance really portends? Let the validity of the reasoning behind the take dictate its worth, not the credentials (or lack thereof in the case of many posters here, including you) of the person behind it. For a pro, entering a half-marathon race and running 4+ minutes slower than what he's proven to be capable of in the past few years is anything but a good sign. I can't recall ever seeing anyone at that level run a half-marathon just to 'practice marathon pace.' That's a hobbyjogger move. Nobody has to have it in for Hall to recognize and understand that objective fact.
Wet Coast wrote:
Ok, but you get my point, right!
I doubt many major marathon winners are going to publicly slam Hall for his last few races.
I agree and have been saying this for a year....He never races at less than 13.1 or 15k. Get back to the track Hall, even 5 pace is looking fast now.
Nah.
The only part of your (and others) over-aggressive posts that I can agree with is the fact that I have no credibility as an athlete. I am slow, even with the best training practices. So I will take your point, that I may have insight, cool.
What's the point of slagging Hall at the low-level that is done here behind fake names? Not a very manly thing to do.
Making suggestions like 'he should return to shorter distances' as has been done, makes for decent discussion.
As I stated earlier Meb was slagged endlessly (serving no purpose) then he captures a win and everyone loves him.
Anyway for your education in matters to do with training, on occasion athletes do use half marathons to run AT goal pace.
You are welcome.
He ducks Top American competition in n on marathon races. He is now one of the little boy toys who is touring the US running those pu**y rock n roll races. He still hasn't figured out that his coach is destroying his career by doing the 2 a year marathon gig, instead of spacing them out and being smart. All he cares about is the $$$$ and personal appearance fees he gets. He will never win NY or Boston, he will always have some excuse ( It's God's will )Ritz will kick his A** in NY this November. GO NIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any (over-)aggressiveness you see is in response to your own. Or is your hypocrisy supposed to make a point?
You hide behind a fake name, too. Why? And do you fancy the concept of boldly challenging others from behind the safety of a computer monitor to be especially manly? I hope not, I would have to pity you even further.
You've brought nothing original or useful to the discussion.
Thank you for nothing.
Montesquieu wrote:
I seem to remember that Hall ran NYC on November 7. He probably took a month off, began running again the beginning of last month, and is pursuing a gradual buildup to a Spring marathon. 64 sound good and reasonable to me in this context.
Good and reasonable if he'll be happy with another 209 and 3rd place at Boston.
I normally try not to belittle the performance of elite athletes. However,
This is ANOTHER disappointment for Hall. He has talent, as shown by his 2:06. But that was years ago. Will we ever see him return to that shape? I hope he does, but I don't think he will. Maybe he'll win a single major marathon, but that would still be a disappointment as he should be in contention frequently.
Dropping down in distance could help, and currently Ritz and Meb are better marathoners.
How is Ritz a better marathoner? He's never even broken 2:10.
Hall will be fine. Everyone thought Meb was finished, everyone though Ritz was finished and they came back fine, so will Hall. Maybe he'll need a change of coaches/scenery at some point, but who knows.
Also, he is obviously out of shape, but at this point thats probably a good thing. It's mid January, he is 3 months out from his goal race, he really has no reason to be in great shape at the moment and is probably mainly working on base.
Terrence Mahon coaches U.S. Olympians Ryan Hall and Deena Kastor, who train at altitude in Mammoth Lakes, Calif.
Mahon, 39, qualified for multiple U.S. Olympic Trials on the track and in the marathon, in which he has a 2:13:02 personal record.
He talked about their performances Sunday in the P.F. Chang's Rock 'n' Roll 1/2 Marathon: Kastor winning in a race record 1:09:43 and Hall finishing second in 1:04:08.
Hall is preparing for the Boston Marathon on April 19. Kastor will run in the London Marathon on April 25.
Deena Kastor proved she's back from a broken foot suffered at the 2008 Olympics with a half marathon race record.
"We knew she (Kastor) could break 70 minutes, and that was the goal coming in here. She probably could have ran 68 something, but she felt the wind a fair amount out there and kind of being by herself. She was racing with the guys as much as she could, but you always get a little more fired up when you have women out there. All in all, a good day. I think she's definitely on track for a good year.
"She's looking and training now like she did when she won Chicago (2005) and set records (U.S. marathon best 2:19:36 in 2006). The pop in her legs and she no loner feels like every workout is injury assessment day. It's like training is going well and moving on to the next one. It's definitely a different mindset."
On training Kastor at age 36: "You're managing intensity and energy and motivation. We try to hone down and focus on what are the most important things we need to get done here. If it's in the weight room, compartmentalize that a little bit and get the most bang for our buck there as well as on the different runs. She kind of knows now what are her workouts she really has to hit then the other ones are in maintenance mode. Whereas if a you're kid, you try to do everything hard. We're getting smarter with that and combining time management to get the most out of it."
On Hall finishing behind Canadian Simon Bairu, who ran 1:02:47: "We came in here knowing he wasn't in great shape. He's been training serious for just the past 3-4 weeks. We weren't learning for anything magical here. It was more about let's just get out hard for the first half of the race at a pace we want to be doing later. It was just to get the body tuned up for that. He's not doing big volume right now. He ran this race mostly because we were piggybacking a lot of things and doing some media appearances for Nissan (www.mastertheshift.com for Hall workout tips) and different things. We did this as a hard tempo run but didn't come in with the mentality of we're trying to race here. It was a lot different for Ryan than Deena (in goals).
"It was OK. He ran a little slower than we were thinking he would run. With Ryan, when he does race, he really brings a lot of focus and intensity to it in terms of the big races. With a race like this, he doesn't bring the same mindset so he doesn't have the capacity to compete because he hasn't done the mental prep for it. This guy (Bairu) has been training for half marathons so he's more amped up to run a race like this than he was."
Looking ahead to Boston, where Hall was third last year: "He's definitely where he should be with training. It's not like we have to go back and re-write training. He's more geared toward we're going to look to run a bigger race where he puts it on the line more come end of February or during March to get him really ready for Boston. This was more let's come in and get in a hard run without any big strings attached."
Does Hall really eat a protein bar before a marathon?
Know anyone else that does this?
Looks like Hardset nipples and B.I.S.P have egg on their face.
Justice.
1. He was talking about the pace he'll run in N.O.
2. The rest is just a bunch of excuses. "Bairu was amped up, blah blah blah."
Christopher, you do some fine grunt work for the Lydiard Foundation. Meaning your strengths lie in promoting. Every time you pipe up on here you look like a high school fanboy spouting off. You embarrass yourself and demean the good work that you do do. When you're beat just stay down, don't keep getting up to get knocked right back down.
This thread has an abundance of idiot posts along the lines of "what's your 5k time? Yeah that's what I thought"
Seems like this is the only sport where this type of mentality exists. I don't see any one on any basketball boards during a thread about stephon marbury asking a poster if he can ball better than starbury.
Rakunishu wrote:
This thread has an abundance of idiot posts along the lines of "what's your 5k time? Yeah that's what I thought"
Seems like this is the only sport where this type of mentality exists. I don't see any one on any basketball boards during a thread about stephon marbury asking a poster if he can ball better than starbury.
Wrong. Cycling and Tri forums are hotbeds for this sort of thing as well ("How many classics have you won?" / "How high is your watts per kg?")
No I am not referring to what he said about NO.
No I am not the least bit embarrassed. I am the only one not hiding.
>>high school fanboy<<
And you call yourself a friend?
You sure are smug for being so unaccomplished.
Wet Coast wrote:
No I am not referring to what he said about NO.
No I am not the least bit embarrassed. I am the only one not hiding.
>>high school fanboy<<
And you call yourself a friend?