North Koreans test second nuke

Numbers wrote:Their army is 1950s-1960s era tops, mostly conscripts. Their nuke program is about equivalent to 1949 USA.

The technology is shoddy (the air force has planes but nobody flies them because there's no fuel), but the numbers are very large. There are about one million North Koreans in uniform, and though they might be conscripts, it should be noted that their term is 7 years, not 2 years like in South Korea. That makes the North Korean army about three times bigger than the Iraqi army. Even the special operations force numbers 100,000. The bulk of this force is located at the DMZ. A missile launched from the other side of the DMZ would reach me in Seoul about 3 minutes later.

I have no idea what would happen in the case of an invasion from the south, but I wouldn't bank on a victory. North Korea has been waiting for a war for 55 years now, going on 56. They watched and learned from how America fought in Vietnam and elsewhere. North Korea is preoccupied with defending itself from an American-Korean invasion. Much of the North's force is deployed in underground facilities (there are 11,000 in the country) to avoid detection.

It wouldn't be a cakewalk at all. The real reason America just doesn't march into North Korea is that the cost would be way, way too high, especially for South Koreans, who consider North Koreans to be their brothers in some sense. As well, there is the possibility for significant damage to the Seoul area (population 24 million).

Your concerns are all valid.

I believe the US would have air superiority in less than 24 hours. The NK fighters are a mix of MIG-21 style and some Chinese knockoffs. They are ancient and pilots not well trained due to lack of fuel. The air defense radars are old enough to still be using vaccuum tubes. They have no answer to stealth fighters or the like.

The underground facilities are the biggest question mark. Instead of clearing them, make them tombs. It may be useful to have a mechanized division stored underground but only if you can get it out. Once the entrances are sealed and power disruped they are tombs.

The terrain in NK is the biggest obstacle. I would not invade with the idea that you would conquer the country as a whole. I would plan on using air mobile troops to skip over the DMZ and "contain" that area (and demolish bunkers) while taking Pyongyang and other government/command areas. Once the government falls the equation changes. I'm not convinced the people will fight.

We heard a lot about Saddam and his armies over the years, and they were paper tigers. They were more advanced than what NK has. NK is still using T-55 tanks for god sakes.

China is the real reason nothing ever happens in NK. China is more worried about a failed state on its borders with the ensuing millions of refugees than a nuclear power on its borders. They've always had that problem.

Letsrunners don't know shit.

Air Superiority in a matter of hours...so what?

but what about occupation? They have thousands of underground facilities, miles under the surface. All they have to do is pop up for a few minutes and lob off a few nukes, then go back and hide again.

It would take many months to effectively stop this, while South Korea, the nearby Chinese Cities, Japan, and part of Russia were getting nukes thrown at them.

Millions of North Korean troops would survive nuclear exchanges under the surface. The reason their people starved is so this food can be stockpiled underground. They could fight for years.

They could turn part of China, all of the Korean peninsula and most of Japan into HELL.

The USA has technology so advanced from the rest of the world that no one will be able to stop it. Its like comparing a UFO to a Boeing 747, UFO being the USA.

conspiracy! wrote:

The USA has technology so advanced from the rest of the world that no one will be able to stop it. Its like comparing a UFO to a Boeing 747, UFO being the USA.

Yes, but its $$$$$$$$$$.

You want to pay for it.

Steroids wrote:

Letsrunners don't know shit.

Air Superiority in a matter of hours...so what?

but what about occupation? They have thousands of underground facilities, miles under the surface. All they have to do is pop up for a few minutes and lob off a few nukes, then go back and hide again.

It would take many months to effectively stop this, while South Korea, the nearby Chinese Cities, Japan, and part of Russia were getting nukes thrown at them.

Millions of North Korean troops would survive nuclear exchanges under the surface. The reason their people starved is so this food can be stockpiled underground. They could fight for years.

They could turn part of China, all of the Korean peninsula and most of Japan into HELL.

Yeah, it's the first guy who doesn't know anything...

Nobody "lobs" nukes. A nuclear bomb is not a grenade. There would be no repeated exchange of nuclear bombs.

luv2run wrote:

What will Obama do?

Nothing. Because Obama has about the worth of a 1 dollar bill and hes a wuss.

Comrade Obamski wrote:

Imagine if George W. Bush spent the days after 9/11 (or any time) blaming the Clinton administration for doing absolutely nothing to thwart Bin Laden.

Don't kid yourself. Bush could not even comprehend what 9/11 was, much less take any action. That is why his administration was quick to preoccupy him with other activities such as vacations. It is futile to bitch about the lameness of the current president when your president was officially clinically retarded. He literally had the mind of a ten year old.

The korean evangelicals and moonies predict Jesus will come back in 2011 as a short south korean bald man and defeat the North Koreans for good.

Da Jew wrote:

The korean evangelicals and moonies predict Jesus will come back in 2011 as a short south korean bald man and defeat the North Koreans for good.

This had me laughing...if you know anything about Koreans and their fundamentalist, racist, Semi-Christian/Buddhist religious beliefs, you'd understand exactly the joke.

The only thing crazier than white evangelicals are Korean evangelicals. Most racist xenophobic people you will ever find.

Steroids wrote:

Letsrunners don't know shit.

Air Superiority in a matter of hours...so what?

but what about occupation? They have thousands of underground facilities, miles under the surface. All they have to do is pop up for a few minutes and lob off a few nukes, then go back and hide again.

It would take many months to effectively stop this, while South Korea, the nearby Chinese Cities, Japan, and part of Russia were getting nukes thrown at them.

Millions of North Korean troops would survive nuclear exchanges under the surface. The reason their people starved is so this food can be stockpiled underground. They could fight for years.

They could turn part of China, all of the Korean peninsula and most of Japan into HELL.

Idiot POD!

"lob off a few nukes"

HAHAHAHAHA!!!