The Ultimate Hypothetical 800m Race

50 metres into the race the bear tries to overtake Ovett, but immediately receives a violent elbow to the ribs throwing him out into lane 8

to be continued...

Mojo rising wrote:

Add Billy Knochellah to the mix. He runs in his full Masai regalia and acts as the herdsman to ward off the bear. He places last of the humans but makes it a fair race. After he... never mind what he does to the Bear but you know Billy.

worth adding billy period

remember he ran 1'43.06 in a champs race just 3y after cruz did similar with 1'43.00 - same era

he never seems to get mentioned in the same breathe

billy didn't chase the clock after like cruz, but i have little doubt he was capable of 1'42-flat that year in a wabbited-race

The field is set. There will be no substitutions. I don't care how good Billy Knochellah was; he's not in the race. And, ventolin, this is my thread, so let me say this: around here, we spell rabbit with an 'r'. OK?

Here's Coe's 800 WR in Florence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0e1yaMIM08

Notice that last lap and the margin of victory--he did all of that on the SECOND lap! I have no doubt that if Coe had the oppotunity to run under the same conditions that Kipketer ran with, Coe would still have the record and it might NEVER be broken. One of the most outrageous race performances you will ever see.

The way I see it, you only need Coe and Kipketer in this ultimate race: The others are nonpaying spectators.

you paid the "wejos" to copyright this "thread" ???

how much ????

Coach D wrote:

Here's Coe's 800 WR in Florence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0e1yaMIM08

Notice that last lap and the margin of victory--he did all of that on the SECOND lap! I have no doubt that if Coe had the oppotunity to run under the same conditions that Kipketer ran with, Coe would still have the record and it might NEVER be broken

nonsense

the wabbit dropped out a lot earlier in this race & kip was helluva lot better the next year

correct the link - it was zurich where wabbit dropped out at ~ same point but over 1s faster at that point ( suicidally fast to us waching on tv that day )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_C5SDNRyDw

What are you on about!?

There is no comparison between the 2 runs.

"the wabbit dropped out a lot earlier in this race & kip was helluva lot better the next year"

No, the first rabbit dropped out at the bell, and then Kipketer had a further 2 guys ("wabbits, whatever they are?) in front to feed on for the next 200m. That is nowhere near as difficult as what Coe did- passing the one rabbit on the curve at 450m and running the last lap alone 40m in front of anyone. That 3rd 200m alone in 25.1 was sublime.

From that vid of Kip's he must have gone through 400m around 49.7 (slightly up on Coe's 49.9) then had a rabbit in front making it easier for him up to 600 and then a hoard of other athletes within striking distance up his backside round the last curve,...and he still didn't beat it. If the pace is right, as it was for Kip in Rieti, then its much easier to run a fast time in a race (as he had) than in a solo front running effort.

Kip became obsessed with breaking Coe's record and it took him 2 seasons of constant attacks on it to break it. With all the advantages and attempts Kip had, he still only managed to take 0.6 off it.

The previous poster was right. Take Coe from August 81, give him a modern track like Rieti, the right time at the bell and company up to 600m and the WR would still be his.

i agree. i think coe was capable of 1:40:xx. he had not yet reached his seasonal peak form for '81 when he ran 1:41.73. and if anyone ever had an outside shot of running 1:39, it was coe.

epopians wrote:

The previous poster was right. Take Coe from August 81, give him a modern track like Rieti, the right time at the bell and company up to 600m and the WR would still be his.

see post above yours

wabbit drops out at same spot

with 49.5 instead of 48.3, that was

1'40.5 - 1'40.75

fantasy land for coe

does anyone else think that ventolin and vipam are really the same person?

Yes! I'm glad this thread got started up again, it's good that more people got a chance to see one of the most brilliant posts I've ever seen on this site ('Play-by-plays.') Good stuff.

AW Fan wrote:

does anyone else think that ventolin and vipam are really the same person?

Yes. He also goes by the name of Eldrick on T&FN message board, where he trolls everyone on there too. He's always using his Jundo Predictor to say how much faster certain athletes can run (usually Kenyan, as thats where he's from) while always making excuses for other athletes not being able to do it with just as much evidence.

He says above that he's in no doubt Konchellah could have run 1:42 flat with "wabbits" despite running in several paced efforts and not breaking 1:43. But he dismisses Coe ever being able to run under 1:41 despite running 1:41.7 in June and no other paced efforts. Biased anyone? lol

He contradicts himself all over the place and talks hypothetical rubbish.

okay good. so i'm not the only one who thinks ventolin is a complete tool

epopians wrote:

AW Fan wrote:

does anyone else think that ventolin and vipam are really the same person?

Yes. He also goes by the name of Eldrick on T&FN message board, where he trolls everyone on there too. He's always using his Jundo Predictor to say how much faster certain athletes can run (usually Kenyan, as thats where he's from) while always making excuses for other athletes not being able to do it with just as much evidence.

He says above that he's in no doubt Konchellah could have run 1:42 flat with "wabbits" despite running in several paced efforts and not breaking 1:43. But he dismisses Coe ever being able to run under 1:41 despite running 1:41.7 in June and no other paced efforts. Biased anyone? lol

He contradicts himself all over the place and talks hypothetical rubbish.

unfortunately you seem to be a retard

name is ventolin

i use "predictor" or "wind-altitude calculator" or any other tools useful

billy crushed elliot by nearly 0.4s with a virtuoso front-running performance - elliot who'd go on to run 1'42.97 in '89

anyone who's got a clue about the sport realises that elliot was never in same class at 800 as billy & that therefore 1'43.06 was a derisory pb - you obviously didn't

if a draughthorse like elliot can go go 1'42.9 in a paced race, a thoroughbred like billy wouda gone hugely better in a wabbited race at his peak - but rome was september that year - little time for meets after

as for coe :

you seem to spend your life talking any shit that you think you can get away with to big him up

it's laughable !

- any pulled out of your ass conversions from cinder to synthetic - you tried 0.3s/lap because if you pulled anything bigger you'd get pissed on big time - some of those ole tracks were rock hard by years of baking sun

- pathetic attempts to think that running in june means that someone must run quicker later

there was nothing early-season about that run - he ran absolutely to the best of his ability & hugely better than any of us that time watching expected

you were a wet-nosed kid hardly out of nappies at the time & you presume to tell us adult observers watching on tv that this was some "early season time" ?

don't talk out of your ass

coe shocked us with his 1'42.4 when all he'd looked in his career before was a career low-1'44 guy

the way he wilted in '78 euros indicated a weakling

i still don't know where he found the "strength" to go from a 1'44-flat weakling in '78 to a 1'42.4 guy the next year ???

never trusted anything about the guy...

I love the 800 but almost puke everytime it's brought up because Ventolin and a couple of other posters will ruin it with insane back and forth arguement.

Thanks for ruining alot of good threads about the 800 with your personal back and forth petty grudge.

no

it's one guy - the same one who's made coe's wiki entry an apocrypha - "the book of coe"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Coe

look here for name of culprit :

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sebastian_Coe&limit=50&action=history

guess who ?

also known as

- epoopian

- middle distance

- aw fan

Oh pardon my mistake. It is you TWO assholes who like ruining good threads with your constant pickering and fighting over conversions, etc.

I also suspect it was you, Ventolin, who started the tasteless thread slandering the late Peter Coe. Oh course I don't know this for sure but it is what I think based on your behavior on this and other threads.

Two Laps makes men wrote:I also suspect it was you, Ventolin, who started the tasteless thread slandering the late Peter Coe

nope

i woudn't give him the steam off my shit, let alone wasting keystrokes on starting a topic