how are the mercados still freshman? aren't those guys 21 or so?!
how are the mercados still freshman? aren't those guys 21 or so?!
I once played Quigley in hockey! Kids a Manamal!
-Fredie Ball
9:15 2-milers don't get scholarships anymore!! Wow. I feel like the luckiest guy around now; I got a half ride.
nuts wrote:
9:15 does NOT get you a full scholarship, or even close to one.
I ran 9:14 and dont even have/was never offered a half scholarship...get a clue.
Did you have really poor grades or something?
quigley wasn't born in america
Congrats Quigley! Thats really sick, f the haters.
grafd wrote:
nuts wrote:9:15 does NOT get you a full scholarship, or even close to one.
I ran 9:14 and dont even have/was never offered a half scholarship...get a clue.
Did you have really poor grades or something?
What?? What do grades have to do with athletic scholarships? You're an idiot.
FWIW I ran a 9:12 and got a $5k scholarship at an expensive $30k+ school. And you guys have to take the bit about 9:15 being average into context. The guy just ran what, a 28:03? Look at his peers, Guys running in the 27:30-28:30 range as 20-23 year olds. In that sense I'd say he's way below average. Obviously 9:15 isn't literally average, but compared to the Rupp/Ritz/Withrow/Songok/Rohat types, it's a very pedestrian high school PR. Probably the only guy in that range with a slower HS PR than that is Kilburg.
That's a huge PR for him - 50 seconds. Given his range and speed (4:02 mile), he's certainly capable of going much faster at both 5K and 10K. If he stays healthy and things go well it looks like he could pop a low 13:10-20 5k and dip under 27:40 in the 10.
Just for perspective, as a senior in college Greg Fredericks (4:00 mile in college) ran 13:34 and 28:08 in 1972, the latter an American Record.......His Penn State records are just about old enough to be Quigley's father!
If you are referring to Quigley, he ran 28;29 in 2007 and 4;01.35 indoors in '08. IMO, he is a few years away from sub 13;20 or 27;40.
Perspective wrote:
That's a huge PR for him - 50 seconds. Given his range and speed (4:02 mile), he's certainly capable of going much faster at both 5K and 10K. If he stays healthy and things go well it looks like he could pop a low 13:10-20 5k and dip under 27:40 in the 10.
Just for perspective, as a senior in college Greg Fredericks (4:00 mile in college) ran 13:34 and 28:08 in 1972, the latter an American Record.......His Penn State records are just about old enough to be Quigley's father!
VOICE OF REASON talking here:
If you look at all the guys who have run 28:03 or faster in American history at any age, much less 22 or whatever this guy is(it isn't that many to start with!).
You come up with a lot of guys who were blue-chippers in HS (sub-4:10 or sub-9:00 or BOTH for Lindgren, Prefontaine, Bjorklund, Virgin, Salazar, McChesney, Plasencia, Doug Brown, etc.) and you come up with a lot of oddballs that just weren't pushing themselves ALL OUT since age 14 (like Shorter, Rodgers, Porter, Nenow, Weldon Johnson).
Both these groups (the guys you knew were going to be studs -- and the guys that took longer to show it) are both easy to explain how they came to be at the top of the All-Time lists. They both have the talent, one group just showed it since age 14 the others came on later.
But the guys "in the middle" (the 4:10-4:20 types -- and the 9:10-30 types) are not the ones you would think can get to 28:00-flat in the 10k.
Let's face it: 28:03 is 67.32 a lap. That is 8:58 for 3200 avg.
My coach had a general rule about 2-milers and college, and it generally worked: If you kept your shit together and worked up to high-mileage you could expect to run 10k at your HS 3200 pace. For those who "worked at it" it usually worked out.
Many good examples abound: McChesney, Ritz, Pat Davey ... I could go on and on.
That rule would put Quigley at 28:55-ish.
So in this respect he is an overachiever now. Or an underachiever then. Take your pick.
As far as being "average" or what a 9:15 3200 gets you for scholarship money ... STFU and just appreciate the acheivement here ... who cares about the answer to those questions?
A true average for HS 2-milers woudl definitely be in the 10-11:00 range. An average for serious runners would be around 9:50 and the average for guys who end up actually running for some college for real would be around 9:25.
The average for guys who run 28:03 or faster? Look it up, it's easy to figure out by looking at the all-time list.
This looks like a job for malmo.
It would not be unusual for a person to lower their PRs in huge chunks in a year. Given the right races, attitude and health, there is no reason to think that Quigley couldn't run under 13:20 and 27:50 this year. Why is he a few years away?
nuts wrote:
If you run 9:15 as a senior in outdoor track you have already committed to a college.
9:15 guys do not generally get full rides to D1 schools. Thats a fact.
Very true, even 9:00's have a tough time getting full rides, unless you go to a lesser D 1 with a full ride to give...
I ran 9:19 my junior year and got a full ride offer from several schools in my state, as well as another outside of the state. They were all pretty bad programs and the schools themselves were pretty terrible as well, so I turned them down.
I find it near impossible to believe that if you run 9:15 you can't get decent money to go somewhere. Obviously a Stanford, Wisco, or UM would be tough to get money from, but if you run that fast you should be at least looking at going to school for half price. If you were unable to attract scholarship offers, it's likely because you weren't proactive enough, or the coaches saw something they didn't like.
darkness wrote:
VOICE OF REASON talking here:
You are taking yourself way to seriously.
A couple of comments, not a personal attack, just corrections. Placencia never broke 4:10 or 9:00 in HS. (Salazar and Brown never broke 4:10, Bjorklund never broke 9:00)
Perspective wrote:
That's a huge PR for him - 50 seconds. Given his range and speed (4:02 mile), he's certainly capable of going much faster at both 5K and 10K. If he stays healthy and things go well it looks like he could pop a low 13:10-20 5k and dip under 27:40 in the 10.
Just for perspective, as a senior in college Greg Fredericks (4:00 mile in college) ran 13:34 and 28:08 in 1972, the latter an American Record.......His Penn State records are just about old enough to be Quigley's father!
I believe Greg Fredericks was a 9:35 2-miler in high school. Talk about average, eh?
huhh??? wrote:
What?? What do grades have to do with athletic scholarships? You're an idiot.
Well let's see, if a person barely graduated from high school and had poor standardized test scores, I could see why he/she wouldn't get offers in that case with a 9:14. Why would a university program with limited resources give money to a retard who looks like he'll drop out after the first semester. If the guy was proactive and contacted schools and didn't even get a partial scholarship with a 9:14, grades could be a reason. Asswipe.
Historically, I think it is not likely.Consider the US runners to run sub 13;20 or 27;50 in college, it is a pretty short list (Chapa 13;19, McChesney 13;15, Eyestone 27;43, Ritz 27;38, Rupp 27;33) and often done in Europe and/or while redshirting (Solinsky 13;12, Hill 13;19, Salazar 27;49).13;30s seems reasonable. If Quigley runs under 13;30 or 28;00 this year I would be pleasantly surprised.
Perspective wrote:
It would not be unusual for a person to lower their PRs in huge chunks in a year. Given the right races, attitude and health, there is no reason to think that Quigley couldn't run under 13:20 and 27:50 this year. Why is he a few years away?
9:15 for 2 miles would put you outside of the top 50 in the country last year. My lists don't go that deep but I'd estimate that would be somewhere between 75-100 nationally. Certainly a very good time but not as good as it used to be 10 years ago. High school depth is pretty much back to the late 70's levels.
NDDAS wrote:
High school depth is pretty much back to the late 70's levels.
Early 70s too.
Is that a good thing? HS running has reached the levels we were at 25-30 years ago?
pro gress wrote:
Is that a good thing? HS running has reached the levels we were at 25-30 years ago?
Yes. It's an improvement over the 90's. I'm sure HS depth will soon surpass the 70's, just as elite depth has in all events save the marathon after a long fallow period.