You say "Chris will be hardest on himself". Why does he need to be? Are you predicting failure? Why are you so negative? I am only busting his ass if you think that he is going to fail. If you think he will run his 2:09-2:10, then all I am doing is shedding some light on a great performance. Good luck this morning Mr. Graff. WE ARE WATCHING.
Mr. Graff is 1:05:54 at halfway. That looks to be the plan as their is a large group together. He must plan on some negative splits to reach his 2:09-2:10 that he promised. Good luck Chris we are still watching.
Chris Graff-2:24:00
2:15 doesn't sound that bad after all.
The point was proven. 2:24 and 42:14 for last 10k. That obviously proves that 1:06 at the halfway point was too aggressive(keeping in mind that 1:06 is considerably slower than 2:09-2:10). He either had no intention of running 2:10 and was just talking jibberish or he terribly underestimated the difficulty of the task at hand or a combination of both.
1. I feel that Chris Graff has the ability to be a very good marathoner.
2. I feel that the Farm Team had a very good showing today with Hauser 2:14 and Jimmerson 2:16. Honestly those are very nice performances for first time marathoners. Those 2 averaged 2:15:16. Now what is so bad with a 2:15, remember that is what started this thread. Several people said that 2:15 sucks. I don't agree. Nice job Farm Team and don't let those people like Graff talk down your 2:15 performance.
taters, you're slipping. Type "undisclosed lurker" into LETSRUN SEARCH. Match the PRs down to the hundredth of a second.
And no, the guy isn't drowning in accolades. He just another one of you with "the dream" and who's willing to sweat for it. Good for him.
Slipping? I never had a grip.
And who if any of our guys are drowning in accolades? the respect of one's peers is all an American distance runner can aspire to right now...not that thats necessarily a bad thing.
MT,
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I feel that chris graf is full of $hit and that he deserves to have run 2:24 or whatever he ran, if he's going to talk bad about a 2:15 marathoner.
Duuuude, When did Graf talk shit about a 2:15 marathoner? Never. He said (paraphrased) that he wouldn't run a marathon unless he felt ready to run 2:10 and didn't want to waste his time for a 2:15. Good for him. We need more old-school attitude like Graf's in this country. If we had a Fantasy Running League that's EXACTLY the kind of attitude I'd draft for my team.
The guy went for it and it didn't work out. Not a good outcome, but the effort is not worthy of contempt.
He could have DNF'ed when thwe wheels startedf falling off the jalopy but didn't. That earns my respect.
Don't misquote the guy. He never s--t on anyone or anything regarding 2:15, just looked past it, and that raised some hackles among people who can be a little sensitive
Finally, and this is IMO, the real trouble lies in the opposite of what CG did -- I mean setting too LOW a goal. There are ARMIES of US runners who see 2:20 or 2:22 (the "magic USOT #'s") as a goal when IMO they should be aiming to run 2:15. I would hate to think that a guy with Hauser's chops and toughness could be happy running 2:14. I sure hope for his own debvelopment's sake that he's pretty p---ed.
t bone wrote:
I feel that chris graf is full of $hit and that he deserves to have run 2:24 or whatever he ran, if he's going to talk bad about a 2:15 marathoner.
Didn't Rodgers fold to a 2:25 in NYC before it went through the 5 boroughs? Fleming won that year.