Armstrong & Vick : Contrast & Racism

Do you understand the difference between performance-enhancing drugs and killing animals? The topic of the paper is why the hell should you be allowed on this message board at all.

Kevin Toth wrote:

I'm doing a paper for my Public Relations class on the contrast in the public reaction to Michael Vick and Lance Armstrong and if racism is involved. Vick and Armstrong are both multi-millionaire superstars. Vick has been accused of inhumane treatment of animals, has lost endorsement contracts, and may face the loss of income he would have received from the next NFL season. Armstrong has been accused of inhumane treatment to himself and his teammates, and is the poster child for steroid, blood doping, testosterone, and HGH abusers worldwide. Both are infamous for their own personal actions, yet Vick is vilified by corporate sponsors, and Armstrong is inundated by corporate sponsors with endorsements. ....[this is where I need your suggestions]...

Thanks.

Here's a suggestion you should take to heart, Kevin: the next time your brain farts and you have what you consider to be an idea, go back to smoking the wacky tobacky and forget about it. If this post was any indication, you're one of the dumbest MFers on this board. And that's saying something.

Performance enhancing drugs kill children and Lance Armstrong is an accessory to the murder of thousands of children in America and all over the world. Does he get off scott free for being white and killing his own white people. It's white-on-white i.e. same-race murder, just like the wars in Iraq, Palestine, Israel, Lebanon, etc. Is white-on-white murder a crime ?

Kevin, maybe you should use an apples-to-apples example instead of apples to oranges. The other posters are right, there is no comparison between what Lance did and what Vick is accused of doing.

OJ and Vick would be interesting, except they are both black. Maybe find a white athlete who is accused of killing someone or something and compare him to Vick. If you can't think of an athlete, try an entertainer, like Robert Blake or someone like that.

Lance is a really bad example if you are trying to compare crimes at the same level. Lance vs. Bonds would be better than what you've got right now.

I must have missed the fact that he is accused of torture and murder.

Great topic for a paper wrote:

Performance enhancing drugs kill children and Lance Armstrong is an accessory to the murder of thousands of children in America and all over the world. Does he get off scott free for being white and killing his own white people. It's white-on-white i.e. same-race murder, just like the wars in Iraq, Palestine, Israel, Lebanon, etc. Is white-on-white murder a crime ?

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Human Nature wrote:

People who claim that there is a 'Race Card' are fools. It's racism, in many forms, skin-color, religion, language, you name it, that is the evil. Sluffing it off with excuse is denying responsibility for criminal behavior.

By my definition, the "race card" is a red herring tactic used by people to deflect valid criticism. In Bonds' case, using the race card would be to say that he is being treated a certain way because he is black, as opposed to being treated a certain way for being an asshole, an alleged wife beater, a probable steroid user, etc. So don't say there's no such thing as the race card. "Playing the race card" means bringing race into a discussion where race is irrelevant to the case at hand.

In the United States, historically race has and is ALWAYS a factor, and thus may be brought into question for any matter. Those who claim that others use the so called 'Race Card' are normally racists themselves who have been caught red-handed practicing racism again. Never allow others to claim that the so called 'Race Card' has been unfairly used, since race is always foremost on the minds of people in the United States. Hope this helps.

Kevin, you are looking at the public reaction to Vick and Armstrong. Good choice. The dual examples typify the deep divide that the is present in the U.S. when it comes to race. The U.S. has still not reconciled with the crime of slavery which lasted for over 400 years. More than half of the population of the South were African slaves. In the U.S. racial segregation is still the norm. The U.S. has not apologized nor paid reparations for slavery. The U.S. still perpetuates racism in many parts of the world, especially the Middle East.

Hope this helps wrote:

In the United States, historically race has and is ALWAYS a factor, and thus may be brought into question for any matter. Those who claim that others use the so called 'Race Card' are normally racists themselves who have been caught red-handed practicing racism again. Never allow others to claim that the so called 'Race Card' has been unfairly used, since race is always foremost on the minds of people in the United States. Hope this helps.

Nonsense.

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Reparations NOW ! wrote:

Kevin, you are looking at the public reaction to Vick and Armstrong. Good choice. The dual examples typify the deep divide that the is present in the U.S. when it comes to race. The U.S. has still not reconciled with the crime of slavery which lasted for over 400 years. More than half of the population of the South were African slaves. In the U.S. racial segregation is still the norm. The U.S. has not apologized nor paid reparations for slavery. The U.S. still perpetuates racism in many parts of the world, especially the Middle East.

Well, by that logic, blacks haven't apologized or made reparations for dragging the country down over the past 100+ years. Just look at the court systems, schools, welfare, estate taxes, etc. Thanks to blacks, we have overburdened court systems, exploding prison populations, rampant welfare, crime, crime, crime, babies with no father around, the inner cities have been decimated as everyone else tries to get out of there, declining test scores, and so on. Yet when it comes time to do the hard work, it's the Mexicans who step up to the plate and get it done without complaining.

Damn, invent something. Create something of value. Have a good idea occasionally. It's not a damn game to see how much wealth can be transferred from whites and Asians to blacks. Why the hell should some races keep other races afloat? Let them go down the tubes, just not here. The worst mistake this country ever made was slavery, and we are paying the price dearly right now. The greatest transfer of wealth that has ever occurred is society trying to prop up blacks. No reparations are necessary at all.

\"Why the hell should some races keep other races afloat?\"

Excellent question. If white people hadn\'t been so lazy and had picked their own damn cotton, this thread would not exist right now.

Yeah they never paid any reparations, and feel no remorse. Segregation on campuses is as strong as ever. Neighborhoods, jobs, soccer for kids, the whole U.S. is more racially divided than ever before. Look at the South, LBJ was told by Southern Democrats in the 1960s, that if he signs the Civil Rights Bill, that the Democrats would lose the South forever. Now look at the South today, it's all Republican, 90% Chicken Hawks with 'Support Our Troops' stickers on their F-150, but too afraid to join the Army.

You're joking, right? Vick got caught (I know, I know, innocent until proven guilty- but he's guilty). Armstrongs has been accused of doping- accused, ok? Not racism- it's more like fruitism- apples and oranges.

Blacks have invented and contributed allot to our country. If you had an education you might know that. Blacks may have a high crime rate but white in inner cities and poor communities are no better. You’re a poorly educated person with a poor argument.

That dirt bag Lance Armstrong acts like a goody goody and cancer survivor when it was HGH that got his testicle in the 1st place. The dude is the dirtiest person ever in any sport.

they invented affirmative action, and actually convinced people it was a good idea.