Here comes deer season.......

GB is a socialist country! Controlled entirely by govt! Always look at both sides of the story young man.

Good for you Portland Runner. I enjoy some good old America beef on ocassion myself.

Fact is that Dr. Nut put forth a ridiculous statement and has yet to prove that he is right - because he isn't! I have shown the proof, and if he read anything by Dr. Tony Fauchi (National Institute of Health if you didn't know) on this subject, he would know what I know - well, he'd have to get a little more education before he could read Fauchi's writings, but if he could understand them, he would know what I know.

A scientist Dr. Nut is not. Espousing typical right-wing "do all that you want because there is no consequence to it" crap he is.

Politics aside though. I win this argument simply based on the fact that I provided evidence of my statement which disproved his statement, and he has not provided evidence that what he says is correct.

Therefore, I win, and he loses.

Only those with low self-esteem who constantly fall behind promote themselves as winners. Let the facts speak for themselves. I also think you have gone nowhere with Dr. Nut and that he probaly got the better of you (Are you sweating now......worrier.) Over and out for me, you can reply to yourself as often as you like. It is obvious you have more idle time on your hands tha the rest of us runners do. In fact, if you reply again, YOU LOSE-HA!

How the hell did this discussion get here?

First off, I am not an MD, a PhD, a paint flinging PETA nut, or one of Ted Nugent's disciples. I was not a science major in undergrad or grad school.

Here is an article that says you're all right. This article breaks down the problem and it even has diagrams.

First, winner is correct, you cannot COOK prions out of meat. They're there, that's that, with apologies to Dr. Nut.

However, these prions come from the brain and spinal tissue of cows with CJD. When slaughterhouses were using a meat separation technique that got infected bits of the brain and spinal cord into the meat product (ground beef, hotdog, pizza topping, etc.).

That's how people got sick. The GB being a socialist country BS doesn't have anything to do with anything. They destroyed the source of the problem, cows that were fed other cows which may have been infected, which is pretty disgusting when you think about it.

Now, also notice in the article in the side bar that no one has been documented as having gotten sick eating mucle meat of wild game with chronic wasting disease. So a point to Dr. Nut and Deerslayer.

Can we get this back to where people were talking about getting shot at (and missed) by hunters? That was much more entertaining.

What some of you are just starting to realize is that my original posts were infected with a form of "internet prion", henceforth known as "Bubbion", which has dealt it's deadly deed. And you are not safe just reading the muscle of my posts!

JKSmith,

You are right about all that you say. Let me summarize:

1) Dr. Nut is 100% wrong about the prions and the cooking of meat.

2) The article I presented about deer did say that it hasn't been "confirmed" that the disease has been transmitted to humans.

My point about point #2 is that while it might be difficult to "confirm", when looking at how others have become infected by eating mad cow and sheep in other parts of the world, it is reasonable to assume, and many experts agree, that there is a substantial risk to eating the deer or elk killed in certain areas of the country.

You say that you don't have an MD or a PhD. Ok fine. I will say though that it is doubtful that many (certainly not Dr. No and Deerslayer - who are the same person by the way) who post here have my scientific background which I have documented here before. I get involved heavily like this when there is a topic that I have expert knowledge on, and I need to stop the false statements of someone who does not have the facts.

Anyway, I will stop with this topic now, because I am right and I have won this discussion, and no more is necessary from me.

Ok

OK I will admit that I also post as Winner.

JKSmith,

You wish you could take credit for my brilliant and on point posts. You are not me.

The big tipoff? I am "winner" - no capital "W".

Dude (winner), like an above poster said, can we please get back to hunting and being shot at, and quit arguing for the spite of it...you are going nowhere with your crybaby "i am a winner" attitude.

So, how many of you actually wear hunter's orange in Fall? How many take a chance and wear white?

Bubba1,

I only wear orange when I win an argument. Hey, look at that, I'm wearing orange right now.

Bubba1,

Also, I would never wear white after Labor Day.

winner, what part of the country do you live? When is deer season. Here in Arkansas, bow season opens first of October so you are still pretty safe (I hope they can tell what you are from 20 yards out). Rifle season pretty much runs for 2 months Nov. thru Dec. Bow season continues on thru Feb. 28.

Oh yeh, we have a black powder season that opens the latter part of October, watch out for those guys!

You guys have been busy, haven't you?

I left work as soon as I posted the note with the article link and go home, sufficiently sick of computers for the day. I log into the board this morning out of curiosity, and see my name repeatedly on the thread.

A quick check of IP addresses by the BroJos could confirm who's who but that would be even more childish, wouldn't it?

For clarification: winner and I are not the same person. There's been alot of misinformation about CJD and vCJD flying around the mainstream media and I was merely attempting to give some accurate info.

Your input wasn't necessary though, because I alread gave the correct information.

I don't understand how it can be assumed that CWD in deer in Wisconsin is in any way related to Mad Cow or CJD. Everything I have read and heard about Mad Cow indicates that it has its origin in the parctice of those cows being fed the ground up remains of their former relatives, much like the disease referred to as "kuru" from certain areas of New Guinea had been traced to the cannabilism practiced there. While I would never eat meat from a sick deer (nor would I eat rotten fruits or vegetables), I don't think the deer anywhere are being fed processed feed containing deer parts or have taken up cannabilism as a means of survival. To be honest, I feel much safer eating deer meat that has been killed by people I know than eating beef or chicken from the super market that has been pumped full of artificial hormones and God knows what else.

Can we combine this thread with the Gulf War thread so that all the bullshit can be confined to one thread?

Fat Dude,

Thank You!

Fat Dude,

You are one of the many uneducated people on this subject - not stupid, just uneducated on this subject. Let me spell it out for you so that you will know.

1) Cows eating other cows is not the CAUSE of mad cow disease. This is only how it is spread. The cause has nothing at all to do with cows eating other cows. The disease occurs rarely (the exact cause of which hasn't been determined), but lets say you have 1 in 100,000 cows that has mad cow disease and then you grind up the remains of all those cows and feed it to other cows. Now the remains of that one cows with the disease are ground up and spread to all the other cows eating the feed. See how that works?

2) It is unclear yet to investigators how the deer in Wisconsin have gotten the TSE. This disease was found in wild and CAPTIVE deer who are fed by humans. Some theories have come about as to how a deer might pass it on to another deer, and one involves potentially bloddy feces that is dropped on grass from one deer and then eaten by another deer when they go down for a grass meal.

3) You are right to beware of the processing and hormones an so on of other meat - that is a reasonable concern, but you are foolish to think that you are not at risk when eating deer just because they are in the wild. Again, the risk is small, but it is there.

My advice once again is to avoid eating deer or elk killed in the United States. You choose whether the risk is reasonable or not, but unless you have the FACTS, you don't have enough to make an informed decision.