There are no plans for Sam to race another 800m this season.
Cooper is the undisputed king of age group 800m running and will likely be that way for decades as what he accomplished is truely exceptional.
Sams coach Craig is focused on getting different aspects of a 1500m/mile together as building blocks for the future. Sam hasn't run as fast as 16 year old Jakob over 5000m or nearly as fast as Cooper over 800m but I think hes got more strength than Cooper over say 5k and more speed than a 16 year old Jakob over 800m.
Craig Kirkwood puts together his long term plan.
Sam Tanner couldn't be a more generous, caring team mate and role model. The fact Tanner can run a good 800m and good 5k to go with his 3.31 1500m makes him an ideal training mate. Sams been very lucky to have him and Craig.
Sam will sacrifice a long northern hemisphere season for schooling this year so probably not many shots at a fast 800m until 2027.
So he can lose by 1.5+ seconds, assuming Cooper has a decent day and Sam has a great one?
Ruthe is an incredible talent, one of the most exciting young milers we have seen in recent years, maybe the most exciting since Jakob.
The hype around this race before it happened, the excitement at the idea that he *might* go sub 1:46, really puts in perspective how impressive Coopers run at USAs was last year. I know this gets said every time a young phenom blesses the track with an unbelievable performance, but 1:42.2 as a 16 year old might actually be something we never see again.
That 1:42 is the only time Cooper has broken 1:45. He has only broken 1:46 twice. He is incredible, but sometimes people have trouble replicating world-beating performances. You don't know how a race between these two young men would go
Exactly. Also if Cooper had been running instead of Ruthe in the Potts Classic up against Tanner there is no way he would have run his 1:42. In a few months if Ruthe gets in the right race with the right conditions like Cooper did who knows what he could run.
I would love to see Ruthe go up against Cooper Lutkenhaus over 800m in a Diamond League or similar.
So he can lose by 1.5+ seconds, assuming Cooper has a decent day and Sam has a great one?
Ruthe is an incredible talent, one of the most exciting young milers we have seen in recent years, maybe the most exciting since Jakob.
The hype around this race before it happened, the excitement at the idea that he *might* go sub 1:46, really puts in perspective how impressive Coopers run at USAs was last year. I know this gets said every time a young phenom blesses the track with an unbelievable performance, but 1:42.2 as a 16 year old might actually be something we never see again.
how many times has cooper run faster than what sam ran today? if you are so sure cooper is going to beat sam by 1.5 seconds it better be a lot of times.
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Hardly Monaco conditions either, looks pretty windy! Very impressive
I would love to see Ruthe go up against Cooper Lutkenhaus over 800m in a Diamond League or similar.
ya, this is pretty incredible.
to be Coop. an all time great high schooler, to have what is probably a 144 800m and 13 low 5k guy on the horizon to challenge is quite something..
though Coop is projected 800 all the way, and Ruth a miler all the way.
that said, coe cram and ovett did pretty well in the 8, i do recall.
meaning 142 is definitely on the table
and this is too new a ground to speculate further ... though prior statement is close to fact.
other than to say, orthodox people like arch jelly and not so orthodox percy cerutti saw this coming, abeit, not by 16 year olds.
arch wondered aloud why 140 was not broken back in the day....
arch as walkers coach and intimate with the lydiard method, and snells 144 on grass, walkers 144 off miler training, and work eith 21x 200m converst that never made the press.
with a guy like juanterano, the right preptides, aminos, wolud have kept him out of street clothes, to do some actual 800 training, as opposed to a haphazard long sprint adaptation, to get him injured time and again.
anyway the 139 is on. cant say anyonevis capable as yet, except if multiple guys show up with their a game. and go for it in the same race.
today, thankfully the run less cowardly, and take chances in the big one.
like jacob, and goose, not hocker who sits and kicks, which is what i would do if i wasnt the clear alpha.
goof balls like Hoey, with the upper elite 600m and mile in the same week throw a spanner into the logic engine. ya, ran on that parade schrade.
i have zero inside info, their progression has no very high probability fit with PED programs going back to Viren.
the only red flag are extremely outlying fast times.
you need many blatant red flags in combination with insider information.
things like training partners and coaches repeatedly being busted, coming from a drug infested area, having a sports med team, the performance jump after static journeyman carear, training locations, behavior forensics, sudden speed or endurance jump, tell tale physical appearancevin non running related muscle groups. jaw, mannerisms, lats shoulders, etc.
i have zero inside info, their progression has no very high probability fit with PED programs going back to Viren.
the only red flag are extremely outlying fast times.
you need many blatant red flags in combination with insider information.
things like training partners and coaches repeatedly being busted, coming from a drug infested area, having a sports med team, the performance jump after static journeyman carear, training locations, behavior forensics, sudden speed or endurance jump, tell tale physical appearancevin non running related muscle groups. jaw, mannerisms, lats shoulders, etc.
The red flags aren't simply fast times; they are times that aren't credible for athletes in only their middle teens. This site takes the view that no performances are suspicious; that everything is possible clean. If that were so the sport wouldn't have a serious doping problem.
Cooper's coach and Cooper himself have spoken about competing at the mile as well as 800m, as you might expect for a guy who ran xc and 4:06 as a sophomore, someone who echoes Jim Ryun's kind of talent. No pressure, of course, but I expect we'll see some very good miles from him in the future, as we have seen from guys like Wanyonyi, Brazier, and other 800m guys.
Uumm no. The race that Cooper ran his 1:42 had 8 guys run sub 1:45 and it was in perfect conditions. Ruthe just ran 1:45 with only Tanner to compete against and the conditions were nowhere near ideal. If Ruthe was put in a Diamond League race 6 months or so from now with a stellar lineup and similar perfect conditions I believe he too could run something extraordinary.
You're ignoring that Cooper had to navigate around traffic during his 1:42; he was out in lane 3 on the homestretch! Sam didn't have that issue.
The weather wasn't ideal for Sam yesterday, but the racing setup was advantageous for him to run fast. He was able to shadow Tanner for the first 500, take the lead on the backstretch without being challenged for it, then run along the rail during the most difficult part of the race while still being pushed all the way to the line.
i have zero inside info, their progression has no very high probability fit with PED programs going back to Viren.
the only red flag are extremely outlying fast times.
you need many blatant red flags in combination with insider information.
things like training partners and coaches repeatedly being busted, coming from a drug infested area, having a sports med team, the performance jump after static journeyman carear, training locations, behavior forensics, sudden speed or endurance jump, tell tale physical appearancevin non running related muscle groups. jaw, mannerisms, lats shoulders, etc.
The red flags aren't simply fast times; they are times that aren't credible for athletes in only their middle teens. This site takes the view that no performances are suspicious; that everything is possible clean. If that were so the sport wouldn't have a serious doping problem.
Oh well,whatever the teen phenoms are or arent doing,if any of them are doping that young,itll seriously come back to bite them when theyre older.
So he can lose by 1.5+ seconds, assuming Cooper has a decent day and Sam has a great one?
Ruthe is an incredible talent, one of the most exciting young milers we have seen in recent years, maybe the most exciting since Jakob.
The hype around this race before it happened, the excitement at the idea that he *might* go sub 1:46, really puts in perspective how impressive Coopers run at USAs was last year. I know this gets said every time a young phenom blesses the track with an unbelievable performance, but 1:42.2 as a 16 year old might actually be something we never see again.
how many times has cooper run faster than what sam ran today? if you are so sure cooper is going to beat sam by 1.5 seconds it better be a lot of times.
Cooper basically made his outdoor debut against elites at the US Nats. He did rather well. Ruthe has run lots of races against elites. In the 1500-5k Ruthe is far better than Cooper. At 800m Cooper would beat Sam 10/10. As someone correctly noted earlier, Sam does not have the 400m (or especially the 200m) wheels to challenge Cooper (whor trains 30 - 35 mpw) in a hot 800m race.