Hoey is going to break the 800 WR in Boston. And his rivals are avoiding him.

Hoey is one strange bird. refers to himself as we, as if his team mattered, like his coach of a few weeks. The body language is wild.

The pharmacist and his 2 month old coach, I suppose is the we.

I mean setting a 600m WR and winning an elite mile the same week . wff. You know, from a guy with neither aerobic ability of note, nor 400m speed up till age 26. nothing to see here.

How about if he ran a 400m WR and mile WR the same week? without credentials from 1/4 century running?

Nobody has ever had a greater red flag on their head. up there with the 209 girly marathon, the infinitely gullable boards chatted up that farce.

The only guy that was this blatant was MacDaddy and not busted. that is from my radar, which is the same radar device that wada, any coach that wasn't born yesterdau.

It's going to be peptides, IV and other game changing nutraceuticals and 'legal' drugs brought in with some kind of 'nutritionist', behind this complete fraud.

Would I take the PEDs?, in the same spot, if they were legal for the moment, but no less effective than standard test epo hgh old school package. Can't say I wouldn't as a youngster believing it was fair play. And it is anything but fair play.

I would like to think I would go for the win no holds barred, if I did though, I should burn in hell.

What a pack of lies. Your problems are obvious. “Blatant”? Blatant is not doing anything for three years, doing a few months training and reeling off a string of list leading times, capped with a PR — a PR breaking one’s six year old PR. Of course, that’s not suspicious. Well, it is, but that guy enjoys protective coloration — according to you and your ilk.

I’d guess Josh wants a clean run at 800 and doesn’t want pressure with 200 to go.

that being said I love his crash and burn idea here. Man will be cooked by April running on fumes by June dead on arrival by July. Doping or not you can’t keep this up.

Training hasn't evolved; doping has. What is Hoey doing that Kipketer wasn't or didn't know about?

Is there anyone on this board as disingenuous as this phony Kiwi?

I'm not saying Hoey is smart for racing this hard this early in the season but he has the fitness after that 600m world record and he's probably decided that he'd rather be known for world records than championship medals because he's obviously making that a priority. He can enjoy himself now, but the other 800 guys are going to give him a reality check at Ultimate Champs still 8 months away.

Yeah the "we" is always funny - but it's just what professional athletes tend to do and especially individual sport ones to try and mind-trick themselves into thinking it's not all on them to perform when it is.

Not sure about your other points here though tbh.

The 400m speed? Do you have some intel on his 400m speed growing up, especially in his 20's? Is mid/high 46 second 400m potential that outlandish in todays environment? Winning an elite mile? It was a road mile in December where it appeared at least this year that the only person really motivated was him and he ran 3.55.

Running a 1.12.8 600m and 3.55 mile in the space of a week is obviously really good - but comparing it to running under 43.03 and 3.43.13? Really?

You are entitled to your opinion around a "red flag" for him but I think there are far bigger red flags out there than Josh Hoey who did run 1.47.6 as an 18 year old - or was he peptiding back in 2018 too?

Your post is a little unhinged, sorry.

Training has evolved; you haven't.

So you can't answer the point about his training.

How has it evolved? What is Hoey doing in training that is more "evolved" than what Kipketer did - or Rudisha?

Doping hasn't evolved?

Perhaps they object to illegal drugging?

He most likely realized you made a silly statement if he read your post at all. Of course training has advanced since Kipketer’s day. Threshold training alone has had profound effects. Kipketer is interesting, as he wasn’t even the top Kenyan until he began blood doping with a Polish(?) coach. He would every so often attribute his very regular illnesses to malaria but his symptoms didn’t match malaria - however they did indeed match well-known reactions to blood doping. Smooth runner, but an obvious cheat nonetheless. BTW, please provide proof you’re a kiwi. The posters in various threads have basically done a great job in showing you’re some crabby old American hating fraud out of Brooklyn (of course) larping as a New Zealander. Prove them wrong, if you can, old man.

Training hasn't evolved?

I mean of all the idiotic conclusions you could come to about this era, you say this of all things - an era where almost above all else, the training has evolved the most.

What is Hoey doing that Kipketer wasn't? How about caring about running indoors just to start.

You have dementia. The serial troll angle isn't even cute anymore, it's deranged and tragic.

You called it.