Coogan, the group, and the location looked to be a poor fit for Valby, judging mostly by the first workout video that they put up and by the fact that she left quickly, but Coogan is a great coach who has had tremendous success with his 800/1500/5000 runners, so I think she left too soon.
Valby is a poor fit for any group. She apparently wants to stay with her known EPO coach Will Palmer
Allie Ostrander is a three time ncaa steeple champion, a top ten Olympic trials finisher, and incredibly versatile multi surface strength runner with numerous other achievements. She is far more than just another running influencer. She is a pro with a long pedigree of accomplishments. You have real nerve calling her an orangutan when you are clearly the one who is as dumb as an oragnutan.
Did Allie win an Alaskan processing boat foosball tournament you wish hype about too? steeple? Really? 10 years ago when Allie was participating, Rhonda Rousey could have won a steeplechase. Steeple was like a rec league for hacky sack junkies who tested positive for THC. She still runs the exact same times today at steeple that she ran in college and can't make a final in any national level event. She is a pacer last year and then ran against 2 girls who couldn't break 10 minutes for 3k. Get back on her Youtube before you miss what macaroni and cheese she is boiling tonight.
She just set a PR in the steeple in 2024. Can’t make a final? Well that is most of the women most of the time. You are singling her out for some reason. You appear to have some bizarre animus against her. I also love how you are trying to spin her YouTube page as anything other than an overwhelming success. She has 32 million views and 86 thousand subscribers.
You are clearly and obviously jealous of Allie. Your animus reminds me of the Hocker Haters on this site. You might never be able to beat Allie at any distance over any surface or match her incredible success as an entertainer, but you don’t have to call her an orangutan just because you are jealous of her. She seems like a wonderful human being. You seem like a resentful failure.
Coogan, the group, and the location looked to be a poor fit for Valby, judging mostly by the first workout video that they put up and by the fact that she left quickly, but Coogan is a great coach who has had tremendous success with his 800/1500/5000 runners, so I think she left too soon.
Valby is a poor fit for any group. She apparently wants to stay with her known EPO coach Will Palmer
Wasn’t it just the Indian guy who got caught doping? How do you know Palmer had anything to do with it? He probably didn’t even know.
I mean, it seems like most of the pro American women don’t get much faster after college. Shelby was an exception and as we all know she was doped to the gills on nandrolone. Hiltz has improved and is at least in the top mix and even won a DL race this year, but let’s face it, we don’t know for sure if they are evening racing in the right gender category. Cranny peaked and was never a medal factor, Monson will never be the same, Mu is cooked, ESP is always pregnant, Schweitzer is mid pack, and Seidel just got lucky once and is otherwise terrible. It’s not like Valby and Tuohy don’t have plenty of company on the failed pro women list. It looks like the failure could be a systemic American training problem.
Jane Hedengren is about to be the greatest redemption arc of US distance running in history. She will be 22yr old for 2028 Olympics so . . . makes US team and then top-10 at Olympics. In 2032 Olympics, age 26yr old, she wins the gold medal in either 5K or 10K.
2017 - 2020 Britt Taylor, East Lake HS (graduates HS, moves to college) 2020 - Dec 2022 Chris Solinski (Solinski leaves for Oregon) Jan 2023 - Oct 2024 Will Palmer (graduates college, turns pro) Oct 2024 - June 2025 Mark Coogan (leaves NB Boston) June 2025 - present Will Palmer
So, was she supposed to stay with her HS coach the entire time and not go to college? Or follow Solinsky to Oregon? Or remain in college forever and never join a pro team?
She has made one coaching change, and it was to go back to the one that took her to the Olympics. Smart move.
I mean, it seems like most of the pro American women don’t get much faster after college. Shelby was an exception and as we all know she was doped to the gills on nandrolone. Hiltz has improved and is at least in the top mix and even won a DL race this year, but let’s face it, we don’t know for sure if they are evening racing in the right gender category. Cranny peaked and was never a medal factor, Monson will never be the same, Mu is cooked, ESP is always pregnant, Schweitzer is mid pack, and Seidel just got lucky once and is otherwise terrible. It’s not like Valby and Tuohy don’t have plenty of company on the failed pro women list. It looks like the failure could be a systemic American training problem.
Jane Hedengren is about to be the greatest redemption arc of US distance running in history. She will be 22yr old for 2028 Olympics so . . . makes US team and then top-10 at Olympics. In 2032 Olympics, age 26yr old, she wins the gold medal in either 5K or 10K.
She would have to be in close to 14:00/29:00 shape to win a gold medal which is unlikely. Another problem for her is that if she can’t gap the East-Africans, she’s to be outkicked.
Tuohy and Valby are the biggest waste of money for any company at this point
Not if you can't stop talking about them. You pay for presence, not results. No one remembers, nor cares what shoes Mu wore but Valby could stop at a 7/11 in New Mexico and everyone is talking about it.
I'm def skeptical myself that she can make it back on a team, but I don't see having two different pro coaches by her second year as a pro as some crazy, damning thing. I just don't see her being competitive in the last lap of any USATF race unless she's way out in front alone. One thing all these coaches have in common is none of them can how to get Valby a second gear, not to mention the third, fourth, and fifth gears she likely needs to get on a team again. I really only see it happening if she gets into 30:15 shape or better, fast enough that she can break well away at 7k and nobody can go with. If three people are within striking distance of her with 800m to go, she has almost no shot at the team.
The Valby hate is crazy. She did a great interview with Gault. She was upfront about her injury. I guarantee that she is fragile mentally--as almost all elite athletes are. She went back to things that worked in the past.
Without being too much of a creeper, I saw she has developed some legit abdominal muscles and is a bit thicker. I would wager that she is putting on some muscle to prevent injury again, be able to deal with a long build up and complete well in 2027 for the Olympics in 2028.
I would like to see her do light work this indoor season. Maybe do something like a 3k to have some fun and feel fast again. Skip outdoor this year and crush the 6k outdoor record in Canton, OH in July to feel like a winner on an easy course. She can win some cash be visible for the sponsors. Then get back to a build/prep for trials in 2027.
I mean, it seems like most of the pro American women don’t get much faster after college. Shelby was an exception and as we all know she was doped to the gills on nandrolone. Hiltz has improved and is at least in the top mix and even won a DL race this year, but let’s face it, we don’t know for sure if they are evening racing in the right gender category. Cranny peaked and was never a medal factor, Monson will never be the same, Mu is cooked, ESP is always pregnant, Schweitzer is mid pack, and Seidel just got lucky once and is otherwise terrible. It’s not like Valby and Tuohy don’t have plenty of company on the failed pro women list. It looks like the failure could be a systemic American training problem.
Jane Hedengren is about to be the greatest redemption arc of US distance running in history. She will be 22yr old for 2028 Olympics so . . . makes US team and then top-10 at Olympics. In 2032 Olympics, age 26yr old, she wins the gold medal in either 5K or 10K.
As long as she stays healthy and continues to progress, she can steal a medal at the 5 or 10 . I can see her being the next Nadia Battocletti, getting multiple medals, but coming up short of gold because there will always be at least a couple African women who are just too strong and fast for her. A handful of Olympic and WC bronze and silvers would be an outstanding career accomplishment. She might snag a World Indoors gold at the 3k. As for times: I can see 3:58 1500, 14:20, 29:10.
The Valby hate is crazy. She did a great interview with Gault. She was upfront about her injury. I guarantee that she is fragile mentally--as almost all elite athletes are. She went back to things that worked in the past.
Without being too much of a creeper, I saw she has developed some legit abdominal muscles and is a bit thicker. I would wager that she is putting on some muscle to prevent injury again, be able to deal with a long build up and complete well in 2027 for the Olympics in 2028.
I would like to see her do light work this indoor season. Maybe do something like a 3k to have some fun and feel fast again. Skip outdoor this year and crush the 6k outdoor record in Canton, OH in July to feel like a winner on an easy course. She can win some cash be visible for the sponsors. Then get back to a build/prep for trials in 2027.
So "almost all elite athletes are mentally fragile"? How do any of them succeed then? Especially as they are all so physically fragile too, and require every kind of medical drug under the sun.
This unfortunately will be true. Valby is injury prone, Tuohy is burnt out and Wiley has tanked since her doping coach was sent to jail. So yeah, the future looks bleak.
My first thought was she didn't look sickly thin, you know, sorta healthy looking. Unfortunately, that means she won't win world class distance races. I wish her good health and a good career, whether it be running or something else.
I know it's LR, but these posts baffle me. Valby is, by her own admission, not in shape yet. She finished 10th and way ahead of Shelby Houlihan, who won a bronze medal THIS YEAR. Now, I don't love the fact that Shelby is a conviced drug cheat, but she won a medal recently and was beaten by a recently-injured Valby, who we're somehow expected to believe is cooked. It's ironic how long distance running is a long game in terms of training and preparation, and yet so many people on these boards are willing to dismiss an athlete when they have an injury or a string of bad races.
More controversially, Valby is visibly carrying more weight than she did at peak performance. This may be an intentional bulking up to avoid injury, but it could also be correlated with relative lack of training. In the latter case, we'd expect to see a leaner and faster Valby as she progresses in training.
I know it's LR, but these posts baffle me. Valby is, by her own admission, not in shape yet. She finished 10th and way ahead of Shelby Houlihan, who won a bronze medal THIS YEAR. Now, I don't love the fact that Shelby is a conviced drug cheat, but she won a medal recently and was beaten by a recently-injured Valby, who we're somehow expected to believe is cooked. It's ironic how long distance running is a long game in terms of training and preparation, and yet so many people on these boards are willing to dismiss an athlete when they have an injury or a string of bad races.
More controversially, Valby is visibly carrying more weight than she did at peak performance. This may be an intentional bulking up to avoid injury, but it could also be correlated with relative lack of training. In the latter case, we'd expect to see a leaner and faster Valby as she progresses in training.
Valby has jumped from coach to coach and always injured and she obviously didn’t take care of herself lately. I agree with the majority of this thread. She’ll never make a U.S. track team even with the U.S. women being weak, except for Jane!
She's going to pull an Athing Mu and become a model/"influencer". Like the world needs more of that filth.
If so, she should take a long, hard look at how that path worked out for Athing. And Colleen Quigley.
Quigley looks like she’s doing just fine to me. Sure, she’s not a world class runner, but she was never going to be. Mu is only 23 and probably never has to work another day in her life if she doesn’t want to.
If so, she should take a long, hard look at how that path worked out for Athing. And Colleen Quigley.
Quigley looks like she’s doing just fine to me. Sure, she’s not a world class runner, but she was never going to be. Mu is only 23 and probably never has to work another day in her life if she doesn’t want to.
LOL, how can someone put Mu and Colleen in the same sentence?
Mu has two Olympic Golds, a World Gold, and a World Bronze.