Has there ever been a more disgraceful national XC team win than Oklahoma State's? They have shameful recruiting practices AND their runners blatantly cheated. I have no respect for them at all.
You wouldn’t be complaining if they didn’t win. I agree that we need to change the rules but don’t get made at a coach following the rules and making the best team.
Do you need a rule to do the right thing? Especially when it's hurting your country.
There’s two approaches to life here. The win at all cost (NIL) that OSU and others have taken and the develop young people for the future. Just because it’s legal doesn’t make it moral. Adultery is legal but not moral for example. I agree though that we need to put the blame ultimately on the NCAA for this. Their greed is beyond imagination in that their suppose to be about STUDENT athletes and not enriching themselves.
600,000 Chinese, 1000s from India and Africa, etc etc...taking scholarships and opportunities.....Americans First!...all this needs to stop...not to mention Kenyan athletes have a current drug and cheating issues.....every time I see a African winner (especially Kenyans) I think drug use...Now can you not???
I keep picturing a meme — “I’m a man….” I cannot blame coaches recruiting foreign/older runners. It is a guarantee to a highly rated team. I believe that we are going to start seeing American against Foreign/Older distance schools. I highly recommend that the best American runners stick together with the same age foreign runner at a handful of elite distance schools to compete and win against these foreign/older teams. The best American runners should talk to each other and commit together. There has to be consequences to save American runners. Stay away from the schools taking short cuts. Go to a school that will commit to you and develop you over 4-5 years. Don’t be pulled in by promises of national championships. Reality is that you will be trained separately/differently from your older teammates; you probably won’t even practice together.
Part of the problem is the rampant EPO abuse in Kenya. let’s bring a bunch of doped up Kenyans with a laughable age verification process over to race against our kids. not a black white issue. I’d rather see a black kid from Chicago run and do well as an American than Kipchebetcheronoswahili Lagat.
Part of the problem is the rampant EPO abuse in Kenya. let’s bring a bunch of doped up Kenyans with a laughable age verification process over to race against our kids. not a black white issue. I’d rather see a black kid from Chicago run and do well as an American than Kipchebetcheronoswahili Lagat.
This exactly. I'm going to be rooting like crazy next year for Yohannes Van Meerten, for example. But he's probably not going to stand a chance because Yohannes will be an 18 year old kid and the people he'll be going against will be 24 year old former pros.
Part of the problem is the rampant EPO abuse in Kenya. let’s bring a bunch of doped up Kenyans with a laughable age verification process over to race against our kids. not a black white issue. I’d rather see a black kid from Chicago run and do well as an American than Kipchebetcheronoswahili Lagat.
This exactly. I'm going to be rooting like crazy next year for Yohannes Van Meerten, for example. But he's probably not going to stand a chance because Yohannes will be an 18 year old kid and the people he'll be going against will be 24 year old former pros.
Do you know where he's going? I saw a list of the 15 schools he was considering and there's such a wide range - Stanford and Duke to NAU to Florida
Part of the problem is the rampant EPO abuse in Kenya. let’s bring a bunch of doped up Kenyans with a laughable age verification process over to race against our kids. not a black white issue. I’d rather see a black kid from Chicago run and do well as an American than Kipchebetcheronoswahili Lagat.
This exactly. I'm going to be rooting like crazy next year for Yohannes Van Meerten, for example. But he's probably not going to stand a chance because Yohannes will be an 18 year old kid and the people he'll be going against will be 24 year old former pros.
Hilarious for a BYU fan to complain against racing older runners.
This is the same coach who was gift wrapped a generational US talent with German Fernandez, knew he was injury prone but ran him into the ground anyway. End result was a torn meniscus and other lingering issues with his Achilles tendon and a much shortened career.
Dave Smith doesn't give two %%%% about actually developing his athletes -- domestic or international. The bottom line is he needs points to stay in coaching.
Yeah, if any dude is the poster child for seeing how far outside the rules or all the loopholes within the rules he could get, from the Knight/Nike money behind UO recruiting/rosters to NOP and his coaches of choice, it's MC. How anyone is sympathetic to such a cynical figure is wild.