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8 months ago 09/14/2025 10:40pm EDT

re: blahblahblah3

blahblahblah3 wrote:
Don't really see why Fisher switched his entire racing approach so drastically after his best career season with 2 global medals, especially in a year where the only people that beat him in either event are now out of shape or not contesting the events.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And if you play stupid games, you're gonna win stupid prizes
Edit: Obviously that is said with a lot of hindsight bias as the money was clearly a factor but we now see the money didn't exactly come through

The Monopoly money that was promised is why. They can rationalize it that it was a long season so it gave them time, and that he really didn’t exert himself in those races, and probably didn’t train specifically for them.

8 months ago 09/15/2025 12:15am EDT

re: malmo

malmo wrote:
high school xc coach wrote:
you're probably correct.
That's freaking silly. The dew point was 81°. Have you ever run in 75°DP? It's unbearable. You can't even imagine what 81° must be like!
For guys who train at altitude in perfect conditions year round, those conditions are like running in a pizza kitchen. They did amazing given the circumstances.

How is it silly? He said “you’re probably correct.” That is NOT a silly response. I have seen a lot of silly responses and that ain’t one.

8 months ago 09/15/2025 12:52am EDT

re: wow really

wow really wrote:
Classic.
A bunch of nobodies (relatively speaking) get clowned in the 10k final and there's a two page thread already defending them and how they do it the right way.
Meanwhile, Lyles, who medaled and oh by the way has 11 OG/WC medals, gets thread after thread of idiots hating on him.
Never change, LR, you bunch of skinny, chickenleg-ass distance losers.

Calling a guy like Grant Fisher, double indoor WR holder, a nobody is just ragebait

That being said Lyles definitely gets criticized way too hard in most track spaces for sure

8 months ago 09/15/2025 12:59am EDT

re: #1 strava user

#1 strava user wrote:
You can tell me all you want that Fisher should have taken it with a k to go, or that Nico should have inserted himself earlier. But the fact is, they just didn't have it today. Could be due to the weather. Could be GST. Could be a whole host of things. But this was not a poor tactical race. They (especially Fisher) were spent by the homestretch. Even if some random Japanese runner paced them 9k in 24 minutes, I can tell you that it wouldn't have made a difference. Tactics cannot be blamed today.

Since literally nobody “went for it” until Kejelcha at 300 to go it’s hard to know. Fisher didn’t have it, Nico somewhat did but Kipkurui beat him anyway and is probably the athlete who might have the most regrets. Then again he got the rail run in the end. The top 3 had a gap for a reason. Well-timed, and good execution. Two outstanding time trialers with wins in fast races on the circuit, and one great kicker with timing and guts.

8 months ago 09/15/2025 1:19am EDT

re: Finance Bro

Finance Bro wrote:
I think GST is more of a factor than people realize. If Grant was in the same 7:22/12:44 form as he was indoors, I don’t see how he doesn’t medal. It’s hard to hold form from February through September without getting stale.

Man for 75 years now of modern track and field, pros have been running long seasons of golden league/Diamond League meets, indoor, outdoor, world xc.

It does not hurt runners in championships to run some meets earlier in the season. Our guy Jakob, when healthy, runs full seasons. Silver winner Kejelcha as well.

Please stop with this GST stuff.

More likely reason is heat and humidity.

Also of note Young probably could have medaled with a perfectly smooth last lap. He closed well and only missed by a second, despite some jostling and a wide move in final turns.

8 months ago 09/15/2025 1:39am EDT

re: malmo

malmo wrote:
high school xc coach wrote:
you're probably correct.
That's freaking silly. The dew point was 81°. Have you ever run in 75°DP? It's unbearable. You can't even imagine what 81° must be like!
For guys who train at altitude in perfect conditions year round, those conditions are like running in a pizza kitchen. They did amazing given the circumstances.

the voice of sanity, reason in this case

8 months ago 09/15/2025 3:46am EDT

re: #1 strava user

He should’ve done the Cheptegei/Farah, take the lead before the bell and not wait for the final 100. No guarantee but I think he would’ve medaled.

8 months ago 09/15/2025 8:51am EDT

re: stressylegs

This whole USA idea that if you don't win its a failure.

And its all pushed by joggers on the boards

8 months ago 09/15/2025 9:12am EDT

re: 1500m-enthusiast

1500m-enthusiast wrote:
wow really wrote:
Classic.
A bunch of nobodies (relatively speaking) get clowned in the 10k final and there's a two page thread already defending them and how they do it the right way.
Meanwhile, Lyles, who medaled and oh by the way has 11 OG/WC medals, gets thread after thread of idiots hating on him.
Never change, LR, you bunch of skinny, chickenleg-ass distance losers.
Calling a guy like Grant Fisher, double indoor WR holder, a nobody is just ragebait
That being said Lyles definitely gets criticized way too hard in most track spaces for sure

Compared to Lyles, he's a nobody. That's the point. That's why I said "relatively speaking".

You go ask 100 people on the street, 0 people know who Grant Fisher is. Maybe, I don't know, 5-10 know who Noah Lyles is.

Grant is 28 and has two medals. Lyles is the same age and has 11. Grant finishes 5th and he's defended up and down. Lyles finishes 3rd and you get a bunch of pencil-neck losers talking about how unlikeable he is.

8 months ago 09/15/2025 11:28am EDT

re: #1 strava user

#1 strava user wrote:
You can tell me all you want that Fisher should have taken it with a k to go, or that Nico should have inserted himself earlier. But the fact is, they just didn't have it today. Could be due to the weather. Could be GST. Could be a whole host of things. But this was not a poor tactical race. They (especially Fisher) were spent by the homestretch. Even if some random Japanese runner paced them 9k in 24 minutes, I can tell you that it wouldn't have made a difference. Tactics cannot be blamed today.

So when an American who has never won at this level, loses, its something mystical?

I suspect you also think Pre was the best runner in the Olympic final in 1972?

8 months ago 09/15/2025 6:56pm EDT

re: MattHatter

MattHatter wrote:
like running in soup - for guys who train at altitude it must have been a shock to the system

This suggests they should race in tough conditions more. A last chance meet in the south in June would have mimicked this just fine.

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