Grant Fisher says pace for DL 3k was originally 7:15

justanothercuriousdude wrote:

We can all speculate about the impact of the temperature that day. Here’s a quote from Marcin Lewandowski who stood only one meter from where the runners passed during the whole race (translated from the bottom of the linked article):

Scared of the heat
Lewandowski is speechless with admiration for Ingebrigten's achievement, which took place in the middle of a scorching sun in temperatures of just over 30 degrees.
– I knew he was ready for the world record, but when I saw the weather, I was really scared. It was crazy hot. I'm sure if it had been colder, he could have run two or three seconds faster, he says.

Link:www.nrk.no/sport/avslorer-drama-for-ja...

Weakusrunners wrote:

Weak US runners getting bumped by actual Ethiopian teens smfh. Fisher deserves to finally get roasted for this loss. Losing against Gressier now? And then we have boomers always crying about the softest bumps known to man. Have we no shame, we’re crying about bumps from Mehary.

Pa po wrote:

Watch the race. Dirty shove by Mehary. Video doesn’t lie.

malmo wrote:

Obviously Lewandowski was standing on the sunny side of the track with his face in the Sun the entire time. No surprise he would think it's hot when it's not.

Back to the facts:
1) it was 81° at 4:15pm, 61°dew point.
2) the stadium is closed off, as seen in both the (below) photo and the video
3) the altitude of the Sun was low on the horizon, as the long shadows of the runners clearly shows in the video.
4) from the video it shows that the runners were in the shade 40s of each lap. In the Sun only 20s. How much better do you want?

Stadion Slaski image

3000M WORLD RECORD JAKOB INGEBRIGTSEN

Link:www.stadiumguide.com/stadion-slaski/

Video:youtu.be/s9TAfGSxg9E?si=fJvUOLY0z5zDPs...

justanothercuriousdude wrote:

You are obviously right when you stress the one to three factor between direct sunlight and shade, and also that Lewandowski was standing in the sunlight for at least 7 and a half minutes.

But I also fear you underestimate the Pole’s judgement: Clearly he must have noticed the shade/sunlight ratio, and clearly he himself must have experienced enough shade and direct sunlight before, under and after the race to make an informed opinion. And I also think he, better than you and me felt how hot it was or was not in the stadium (e.g under the semi permeable ceiling), and how the sunlight might have effected the athletes…

Jakob 7:15 wrote:

Jakob I think would be capable of 7:15.xx in ideal conditions.

Recall he ran 7:17.55 on a very hot, sunny day.

malmo wrote:

Narrow Margins wrote:

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Not sure what you are questioning as an exaggeration. Of course we have no evidence about what form he is in today, but It was 30° C (86° F) when he ran 7:17 last year. That he could have run a little faster on that day in 75F conditions seems pretty plausible.

Link:ath-wdl-archive.azureedge.net/2024/sil...

It was 81° and the dew point was 61° at 4:15. Additionally the stadium is shaded over most of the track . Those are fantastic conditions for racing a 3000m.

Where do you guys come up with this crazy sheet? Have you ever been a competitive runner ? Playing make believe on the interwebs isn't cutting it.

Link:www.stadiumguide.com/stadion-slaski/

malmo wrote:

objectiveobserver wrote:

By the way: Which distances did you run competitively?

My range was from the 1500 in Oslo, World XC, all the way up to the Marathon in NYC. Held ARs at 3000sc, 12k and HM. Plus near misses again at 3000sc (US #2), 15k (US #2), and 10mile (US #2). So pretty much everything. I just liked running and racing.

My real love was the steeplechase, which was shelved because of a torn plantar fascia while training for WXC on a frozen golf course.

In college my main events were 1500m and 3000sc. I loved XC.

justanothercuriousdude wrote:

malmo wrote:

Could be suppressed? That track is practically an indoor track.

Why keep talking about the temperature. It was just fine.

We can all speculate about the impact of the temperature that day. Here’s a quote from Marcin Lewandowski who stood only one meter from where the runners passed during the whole race (translated from the bottom of the linked article):

Scared of the heat
Lewandowski is speechless with admiration for Ingebrigten's achievement, which took place in the middle of a scorching sun in temperatures of just over 30 degrees.
– I knew he was ready for the world record, but when I saw the weather, I was really scared. It was crazy hot. I'm sure if it had been colder, he could have run two or three seconds faster, he says.

Link:www.nrk.no/sport/avslorer-drama-for-ja...

malmo wrote:

Obviously Lewandowski was standing on the sunny side of the track with his face in the Sun the entire time. No surprise he would think it's hot when it's not.

Back to the facts:
1) it was 81° at 4:15pm, 61°dew point.
2) the stadium is closed off, as seen in both the (below) photo and the video
3) the altitude of the Sun was low on the horizon, as the long shadows of the runners clearly shows in the video.
4) from the video it shows that the runners were in the shade 40s of each lap. In the Sun only 20s. How much better do you want?

Stadion Slaski image

3000M WORLD RECORD JAKOB INGEBRIGTSEN

Link:www.stadiumguide.com/stadion-slaski/

Video:youtu.be/s9TAfGSxg9E?si=fJvUOLY0z5zDPs...

objectiveobserver wrote:

7500m: It was really 7532.48 - an old Danish mile- in a famous Danish city road race.

I regret a bit I never ran something seriously in highschool or in my senior years. I am rather certain I could have run sub 11 in the 100m and good times at least up to 800m when I was in my twenties/ thirties. My son ran 11.5 in the 100m and high 23 in the 200m when he was 15.

Kickers usually win wrote:

Jakob 7:15 wrote:

Jakob I think would be capable of 7:15.xx in ideal conditions.

Recall he ran 7:17.55 on a very hot, sunny day.

You act like the 3000m is independent from other distances, but a 7:15 requires a combination of speed and strength just like other distances. For Ingebrigtsen to run that fast, he would need to be capable of 3:41.

That he ran 7:17.55, is a very strong indication that the conditions did not affect him that day.

Kickers usually win wrote:

Kickers usually win wrote:

You act like the 3000m is independent from other distances, but a 7:15 requires a combination of speed and strength just like other distances. For Ingebrigtsen to run that fast, he would need to be capable of 3:41.

That he ran 7:17.55, is a very strong indication that the conditions did not affect him that day.

Why was this down voted? Do the six of you think Ingebrigtsen can run 3:41?