It's time to have a conversation about Keely Hodgkinson

Hmmmmmm???

Hey Brutal, are you going to take that lying down?!

I take the claim that she had another grade 3 tear in may with a grain of salt. You’re not going to heal a ruptured hamstring and train your way back to PB shape in 3 months, drugs or not.

Yeah, there are some serious speed goggles here.

She's neither hot, nor clean.

I thought her finishing stride looked chunky/clunky, heavy, and a bit un-coordinated, fwiw

Which is consistent with lactic acid at the end of a 800m race.

I just don’t see the logic here. She’d have to be on multiple different compounds to fix the injury and regain fitness, she’d be completely radioactive in testing. And even then 3 months seems extremely optimistic for a grade 3 hamstring, to come back in PB shape.

According to the NHS website, in the UK a Grade 3 muscle tear is defined as any tear where over 50% of the muscle fibres are damaged. It doesn't mean a "full rupture" in the UK. Its just a serious tear. Even then, I should imagine that the lines between a Grade 2 and Grade 3 tear overlap and they erred on the side of caution.

Clearly, her injury has healed. Clearly, she is a British athlete with a British coach using British healthcare definitions. What is it that you are trying to argue about? She's been out of action for a year. She's young and fast and fresh with a history of racing well in her first race back. Thats different from the heats in a championship event.

So basically, you are attacking her because she's not American and not black, since all your wheedling examples are black athletes and/or American athletes.

Maybe UK middle distance coaching is just better. I'm a British female former middle distance athlete, and even at my relatively ordinary level, it was a problem trying to train when I was based even elsewhere in Europe because the training was so undisciplined or involved too long reps with not enough short fast stuff and long recovery, combined with a failure to do longer stuff in the winter and proper cross country - not running round a grassy field as you do in the US or doing 30 track races a year when I was aged 17-19.

Look I like Keely but M11 also do have a tendency to embellish what their athletes deal with - and as others pointed out "grade 3" means something different over here.

European Indoors they immediately said Bell was "sick" and that's why she lost to Guillemot and Walcott-Nolan, so her performance at world indoors is a "massive comeback."

Erin Wallace tying up so bad she trips up over her own feet in the last 100m but they present it as "Wallace on course for huge PB before falling."

I dont doubt Keely had injuries, but also imagine there is a degree of exaggeration going on. Clearly training hasn't been going too badly. They were posting pictures and videos of Hodgkinson doing workouts in Font Romeu in early October so clearly knee injury wasn't that bad.

I don't think Keely even exists, just AI generated and placed in the races in post

Tend to agree. The article reads highly exaggerated, and if she had the severity of hamstring injury most people associate that with, she wouldn't have 6 weeks of track training coming in (which was stated).

I agree that it sounds someone is exaggerating the seriousness of her injuries, which might amaze causal fans but also makes her look seriously suspicious. In my career, I had a serious hamstring injury (I had many but one that was serious) and was shocked at how fast I was able to come back. I think experienced distance runners would be surprised by how quickly an 800 specialist can get back to near PR form. My issue coming back was that I didn't feel I had the base necessary to hit my key workouts but ended up just cutting back a bit and running quality 800s. For someone of her talent level, I can believe her progression is natural BUT only if the second "grade 3" tear is a lie. I also have a hard time believing she has these migrating hamstring injuries across different parts of the leg. It seems far more likely to reaggravate an existing injury that happened just a few months ago than to have new ones popping up again and again.

Is your mom your fantasy wife? Sounds perverted.

Exactly. Any serious runner with an ounce of common sense knows that tight hamstrings are a sign to back off the hard training.

If you doubt Keely, you also have to doubt Donovan. Very similar career arc and recent comebacks. I give both the benefit of the doubt and odds are with me since they are not Kenyan.

I have no idea if she is clear or not, but to me she ain't hot.

You are missing the point of my post.

Your comment applies to you more than me.