Definitely special and I hope he has a few more years of physical maturity. He looks stronger. Still looks like a puppy with those big paws pointing the wrong direction. Steve Lewis was a freak in my era. He was 19 winning gold in Seoul and physically matured further by Barcelona. It'll be interesting to see what happens with Wilson.
Did you see his time in 2024? He was due for another break thru. He should actually go pro if he makes the World team
At this point I agree. NCAA will not challenge him in the ways he needs to be challenged. He's just too good, and by the time he graduates from HS, too experienced.
He can still get an education, which his parents have made clear is the most important part to them - in fact, shoe companies would probably fall over themselves to pay for his education.
Did you see his time in 2024? He was due for another break thru. He should actually go pro if he makes the World team
At this point I agree. NCAA will not challenge him in the ways he needs to be challenged. He's just too good, and by the time he graduates from HS, too experienced.
He can still get an education, which his parents have made clear is the most important part to them - in fact, shoe companies would probably fall over themselves to pay for his education.
No reason to run 44.10 for free.
He should avoid the NCAA at all cost if he wants to prosper. Do a maximum of 1 year if you must, but to spend your most important years running for points when you could be making a name competing on the global scene would be stupid.
What’s scary about Quincy Wilson is that he’s such an extreme outlier. I think many here are right — I really don’t think he would go faster than 20.5-20.7 in the 200m. His speed endurance at the 400m is almost unparalleled.
If he either hits one last growth spurt (very possible) or even if he doesn’t and gets to that high 19 or maybe even 20 flat 200 speed, he’s going to go deep into the 43s.
And if ever becomes a 19.7/19.8 guy, it’s night night 400m world record. Odds may be against that happening, but it’s not really that far fetched either. He’s a freak.
Aint gonna happen. Hes gonna go the way of steve lewis,and joe deloach,and be out of the sport in his early 20s. He's a teen prodigy but thats all he'll ever be. Hes already fully grown,and he hasnt got the sprint speed to improve much more.
Did you see his time in 2024? He was due for another break thru. He should actually go pro if he makes the World team
At this point I agree. NCAA will not challenge him in the ways he needs to be challenged. He's just too good, and by the time he graduates from HS, too experienced.
He can still get an education, which his parents have made clear is the most important part to them - in fact, shoe companies would probably fall over themselves to pay for his education.
No reason to run 44.10 for free.
Additionally, sprinters on power five NCAA team participate in way too many meets. This is certainly suboptimal for athletic development, and will not put him in position to compete well in WCs and Olympics. Every year top NCAA sprinters, and particular 400m runners, put down times near the world lead, but by July they are cooked. There are certainly ways for him to get an education while also training as a professional.
Unless maybe you are running 1:42-1:43 in the 800m like Korir or Juantorena but that is an even rarer case and definitely not Quincy's realm
Speed is vital no matter what. He said himself he shot out like a bullet, so he probably split really close to his current 200m PB which indicates that he can absolutely run much faster in the open.
But yes, his 800 last year proves he has strong speed endurance but even still he is likely in the mid-to-low 20.xx range for all out 200
I hope he runs the 800m a little more often
Yes you are
Christopher Morales-Williams 44.05/20.93
Yousseff Ahmed 43.93/20.87
Khaleb McCrae 43.91/20.85
Michael Cherry 44.03/20.72
Anthony Zambrano 43.93/20.61
Abdalelah Haroun 44.07/21.16
Champion Allison never ran a 200 in 2022 but I doubt he would have been much faster than 20.7 either. It was more common in the mid 2010s than it is now but a lot of these top level 400 guys are operating entirely off of special endurance.
Most of these people hardly run the 200m. They run it like once or twice a year at some random low-key invitational
CMW literally split 20.99 on the way to his 44.49 indoors at last year's NCAA indoor champs
You're telling me he's only capable of 0.06 faster running it in the open, outdoors? Makes no sense.
I can guarantee you if these 43 high-44 low runners ran the 200m more often and focused on pure speed, they would be running in the 19.8-20.2 range at minimum
WVN - 43.03 and 19.84 and 9.94
Michael Norman - 43.45, 19.70 and 9.86
Michael Johnson - 43.18 and 19.32
Fred Kerley - 43.64, 19.76 and 9.76
LaShawn Merritt 43.65 and 19.74
Nobody is ever running 42.9 with a PR in the 20 second range.
Norman was probably the closest person to be able to do it given his insane speed but he is AWOL as we all know.
Hence why I ultimately don't think QW will ever break the WR unless he drastically improves his 200m speed.
I doubt he could go much faster than 20.8, perhaps 20.7
From watching him run (and his 800 last year), it feels like he operates almost entirely off of special endurance with an inhuman ability to either buffer or clear lactic acid. He holds his top speed for an unreasonably long amount of time and just doesn't slow down in that last 100.
the good old seldom run distance debate, which always has one third the audience subscribing to an unrealistically slow time based on nothing.
there are rare outliers, but athletes range of proficiency includes 1/2 the distance of choice, should they specialize or actually try for a good time, such as peaking, get in a good race, pacing etc.
in this case Wilson has a 22.1 200m as a 14 year old. with -2ms wind.
what kind of time would you expect for this kind of guy assuming he was a 200m focused guy?
his current height is listed at 5/9, but i'm seeing 5/7 1./2
Juantorena is mentioned as a slower 400m guy, and where does this "fact" come from? though i would tend to agree, where is there any data what so ever, such as a 100m time? such as 200m splits in an open 400?
i throw out a 20.5 200m for this guy, and maybe he split in this race 21.0 and his first 100m that would be interesting to know. 10.7?
as far as the world record goes, jerremy warriner got close, with a 20.1 200m, though that was relatively seldom run, and off 400m training, if that guy was doing 100 and 200m only, you would have 19.8 ish, not saying any big medals though.
so ya you need something like 19.8 200m to run sub 43 400m, unless you are amped on EPO or oxygen loading. which may well be the case in the next record.
with the 400 remember that each 100m segment after the first, a split of 11.0 running start is equivalent to a 12.0 out of the blocks, to put in perspective how fast you're actually going compared to max.
Question -- is he going to grow any more, or is this it?
Very good question. Talent wise he is a total freak, but his short stature is a limiter.
44.10 at 17 is unimaginable to me. Took him 12 mos to find that tenth but he did it.
Hoping he gains 2 inches in height. If so, lookout.
I don’t truly think his height is a limiter. I have fuzzy reasoning but I will try to explain.
- Prior to Bolt, being tall was considered a negative in the short sprints. The all time lists are littered with short guys including #2 all time in both the 100m and 200m. Tyson Gay and Yohan Blake. Also, Christian Coleman is 5’8 and he has the 60m record.
So from this, we know short runners have power and turnover.
- The long endurance, Cheptegei is 5’3, KB 5’4, Kipchoge 5’6. So from these heights, we can deduce that shortness is probably a positive for distance.
So if the fastest short sprinters are short and the fastest long endurance runners are short, why would height be a negative at the in between events? I’m curious to the answer to this.
