Paris Men’s 1500m: Fakest Sht I’ve Ever Seen

Don't forget better training. Every generation learns from the previous generation.

What many do not understand, that we might be living in the cleanest era since the 70's. Micro-dosing, super shoes, fast tracks, wavelights, bi-carb and treshold training is as good as it can get. Bet excited.

The track equivalent of a bodybuilding competition. Everybody is juiced.

Well if the track is super fast,the shoes are magical,and they used wave lights,it could mean runners are about 4 seconds quicker than they'd be without them. Then the 3.27 is really worth 3.31 which sort of makes sense.

His mother, father and brother?

Sorry, that is nonsense. 4 seconds at that level is an eternity.

Like always you're talking about something you know nothing about. 1s per lap improvement is no problem given technological advancements.

I can tell you have never trained in the stadium with running shoes vs spikes. Then you would now how much footwear alone impacts the speed.

Well which era are you comparing to? Nick Willis ran 3:29.66 at age 32 pre-superspikes in 2015. He was a distant 6th at Worlds that year, and this era is far deeper/better as countries like GB, USA, Norway, Netherlands etc go 2-deep and sometimes 3-deep. I think the advantage is nothing crazy to that era…a second at most? An underrated factor is with wavelights nearly every DL is now paced beautifully so athletes are getting more chances than ever to run fast and then they can gauge their speed with them.

If you’re talking about the 80s sure…Steve Cram and Josh Kerr feel like similar athletes. Ultimately Kerr might retire with PBs 2-3s faster. That’s down to the advancements.

Did Coevett just strongly suggest that that a white Brit and several white americans might be doping?!?!?!

Let me check the forecast in hell, i predict a cold front is coming.

Tons of doping from that region. Kenya as well.

Lagat, ElG, Komen, Ngeny. Huge dopers.

Look at Cycling. Rampant cheating, but they tend to be European. Its everywhere.

At least two second drops from the tech would explain much of this.

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Guarantee it is the fastest outdoor track in the world. Nike said they would spare no expense to give Faith every advantage to break 4 min. Nike wouldn't invest all time, money, advertising, and promotion to have Faith attempt sub 4 on the second fastest outdoor track. They did their homework. She's running on the Stade de Charlety in 5 days. Faith must be psyched seeing these blistering times run on it yesterday.

Thank you for saying it. Americans of LR love to skip over this fact

I haven't ruled out mass doping,but from what i understand, all the combos i mentioned might make a bit of a difference. Its possible everyone in that race is on drug cocktails,or just as likely only half of them are.

Remember that Kerr came to America as a 17 year old. He has a late birthday and would've missed the American school cutoff, making him the age of a high school senior when he placed 10th in the NCAA outdoor 1500 as a true freshman. That's what an underdeveloped sub4 high school guy can turn into. I believe it.

See I don’t like you lumping in 4 disconnected athletes like they are all the same. It’s lazy to me.

Lagat- US-based, EPO A sample positive, B sample negative

El Guerrouj - Coach Kada accused of administering drugs to Hamza Driouch, then retracted on that front, some early training partners (Ramzi) later busted for drugs, many contemporaries busted (Kaouch, Boulami), very secretive group operating with lots of domestic support

Ngeny, Komen- Western-friendly group that operated out of Australia/London/California and Kenya too, coached/managed by Kim McDonald

Besides running fast in an era where EPO only became detectable later, I don’t see much commonalities between these athletes.

This is what I said before (last year). It is certainly doping in some cases, we know that, but it isn't "just doping, stupid" like some people say.

The reason I am so confident is because "normal runners" have also been running a lot faster by switching to super shoes for training, super shoes for racing, super tracks, time-trial style race tactics (wavelights), bi-carb, and double threshold.

Those things work on regular runners so we also can be assured they work on good runners and great runners as well.

So yes, doping is a problem, but it doesn't explain everything.

Mods - not problem with leaving that post up I am sure

but any allusions to American runners tie with Salazar or Schumacher gets taken down

well done

Why would the whole field have to be doping? Let's just say for arguments sake that Habz is "pushing the boundaries" right now - that doesn't mean anyone else in the field automatically has to be.

This is an individual sport and results and suspicion around them don't implicate an entire race - that logic isn’t good at all. There is a possibility that Habz could be doping and the only guy in the field that was. There is also the chance that Louis Gilavert in 14th place could be doping and the only guy in the field that was. Simply saying "the track is obviously fast and it was good conditions, wavelight, new training" – yeah, I think that's a given. Does these things mean that doping just all of a sudden became a thing that athletes don't bother with? "Hey no need to microdose EPO anymore guys - the track is fast and has wavelight" Huh?

The two guys that interest me the most are Habz and Koech. In particularly with the case of Habz, to not even entertain the possibility that something weird is at play, especially given that there are high odds at least ONE athlete in this field is doping (it's almost implausible there wouldn't be and this would be true for almost any DL field I would guess) -that is about as wishful thinking as possible.