Some of you know very little about running- looking relaxed does not mean that one can necessarily go faster. That relaxed look and gait likely contributed greatly to his fast time. He seems to be a strong kid and does a wonderful job at maintaining form.
Now can he go faster? Very likely. He ran sub 1:47 way back in indoors and his open 400 is blazing. Breaking 1:46 this summer is in the cards.
Front running the whole race with a big negative split. That says he can go faster. Looking relaxed, that is just a meme.
Some of you know very little about running- looking relaxed does not mean that one can necessarily go faster. That relaxed look and gait likely contributed greatly to his fast time. He seems to be a strong kid and does a wonderful job at maintaining form.
Now can he go faster? Very likely. He ran sub 1:47 way back in indoors and his open 400 is blazing. Breaking 1:46 this summer is in the cards.
Front running the whole race with a big negative split. That says he can go faster. Looking relaxed, that is just a meme.
I don't know what "just a meme" means when you're blowing up at the end of an 800m, dragging pianos and bears for the last 200m.
Either he was able to run relaxed and looked chill or he couldn't. He could!
You can't fake it if you are tasting blood and your head is tipping backwards at a 45° angle as you start swimming down the homestretch.
The simple fact is that he broke the record and he still looked totally in control. That makes it even more impressive.
He "only" broke the record by a fraction, but he can run a lot faster (and he's only in 10th grade). INSANE performance. Hats off to this kid.
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The 46 is the real deal. That is the kind of speed that you can't "learn" at practice. There are pro runners are out in the world making a living who don't have 46 speed. That makes me think his ceiling is way higher than most kids who just train their way to good times through mileage and fitness. You can't fake speed.
He’s got a 1:45 low in him, he looked more relaxed than usual the last 50 (looking back without straining) while negative splitting my a second.
Some of you know very little about running- looking relaxed does not mean that one can necessarily go faster. That relaxed look and gait likely contributed greatly to his fast time. He seems to be a strong kid and does a wonderful job at maintaining form.
Now can he go faster? Very likely. He ran sub 1:47 way back in indoors and his open 400 is blazing. Breaking 1:46 this summer is in the cards.
Come on now. He had at the very least 0.1 seconds from the looking back + relaxed form, but the bigger part is that he negative split the race by 1 second while also leading the whole time. That’s easily a second in the 800.
Some of you know very little about running- looking relaxed does not mean that one can necessarily go faster. That relaxed look and gait likely contributed greatly to his fast time. He seems to be a strong kid and does a wonderful job at maintaining form.
Now can he go faster? Very likely. He ran sub 1:47 way back in indoors and his open 400 is blazing. Breaking 1:46 this summer is in the cards.
Come on now. He had at the very least 0.1 seconds from the looking back + relaxed form, but the bigger part is that he negative split the race by 1 second while also leading the whole time. That’s easily a second in the 800.
Totally agree that we usually see about 1.5-2 second positive split in the some of the highest performing races, but this race really got me thinking
Probably safe to argue this was the fastest overall HS 800m ever, three guys under 1:48, and they all ran a negative split
Is this hinting at a paradigm shift, and maybe we'll see something closer to an even split for the next 800m WR?
Come on now. He had at the very least 0.1 seconds from the looking back + relaxed form, but the bigger part is that he negative split the race by 1 second while also leading the whole time. That’s easily a second in the 800.
Totally agree that we usually see about 1.5-2 second positive split in the some of the highest performing races, but this race really got me thinking
Probably safe to argue this was the fastest overall HS 800m ever, three guys under 1:48, and they all ran a negative split
Is this hinting at a paradigm shift, and maybe we'll see something closer to an even split for the next 800m WR?
Of the many fast times at the high school and pro level over the last two or so years, the vast majority are either negative splits, or even enough to basically be a negative split. Why? Have we been running the 800 wrong basically forever?
People say 1 second per lap as if that’s a conservative estimate when especially at an elite level it isn’t. You mean to tell me bekele could have run in the low 12:20s or hicham could have run 3:38 in the mile? I realize it does make a significant difference, but the 1 second per lap doesn’t seem accurate or that simple.
No. You don’t understand how this works. The best of the best get the least benefit from super shoes because they’re already so efficient and naturally springy. It’s what make them generational talents. The super shoes levels the playing field for those that don’t have perfect mechanics. El G probably would have run 3:24-5 in super shoes. He was also doped like crazy so he wouldn’t see a huge benefit. Yes. Bekele/Geb probably are 12:30 guys. Absolutely.
I don’t understand why kids can’t admit this. What do you think has happened? The human race has evolved over the last 5 years? Being “better” than previous generations is for a reason. The reasons are shoes, training methodologies, expectations and racing opportunities. Why do you take offense to this? It’s really weird.
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Some of you know very little about running- looking relaxed does not mean that one can necessarily go faster. That relaxed look and gait likely contributed greatly to his fast time. He seems to be a strong kid and does a wonderful job at maintaining form.
Now can he go faster? Very likely. He ran sub 1:47 way back in indoors and his open 400 is blazing. Breaking 1:46 this summer is in the cards.
Front running the whole race with a big negative split. That says he can go faster. Looking relaxed, that is just a meme.
True. Granville ran a “solo” race, leading but Lutkenhaus also led start to finish and is two years years younger than Granville was when he set the record, making him all the more remarkable. A lot is said about “the shoes” but how much do they really help in a race as short as the 800?
I expected sub-1:46, but nobody went out hard so he had to front run. It also seemed down the stretch that he was saving energy, which is strange because it was his only race of the day. Well, he has 2 more years to run a faster HS time.
On a side note, I have no idea why anybody would say that he is doping, unless the idea is that anybody who runs fast must be doping. There's no other reason to level that charge.
Front running the whole race with a big negative split. That says he can go faster. Looking relaxed, that is just a meme.
True. Granville ran a “solo” race, leading but Lutkenhaus also led start to finish and is two years years younger than Granville was when he set the record, making him all the more remarkable. A lot is said about “the shoes” but how much do they really help in a race as short as the 800?
Probably not as much as the bicarb. I have seen plenty of races where you go they have a lot left but for whatever reason that lot never shows up.
but yeah everyone wants to see him in a race where he splits a 52 flat and see what happens on the next lap. Rig up and run. 1:47 or keep going and drop a sub 1:45