i think it's understood by most you can't throw a baton. BUT STILL, and I don't care that it's a judgement call. A jury of appeals should be able to overturn a call like that.
When I hear stuff like this, Im really proud to be part of the league and section im with because we will make changes to be certain we aren't screwing over kids who don't deserve it.
whatever rules we have aren't the damn constitution of the USA. something like this can be overturned. give me a break.
If you watch other videos of the same meet there is an official collecting batons in the same area where this kid tossed/threw/dropped the baton in the opposite direction. IF the kid displayed complete indifference I can understand the DQ. In the end the goal is better humans not just faster splits and medals.
I haven't seen other videos, but it looks like he is tossing it towards his team?
I don't like disqualification but this isn't a judgemental call.
Truth. It's like getting a ticket for going 36 in a 35. You could've let it go and no one would've complained. But it was called, and it's a DQ. He was still on the track when it was thrown. No one is advocating for a DQ or rooting against the kid(s). It sucks, but unfortunately it's the right call. Complaining about it and looking for help on LetsRun is probably not the most mature way to handle it as a coach too.
Want to fact-check my own post. Rojo put this on LetsRun, not the coach. So my last post jumped the gun a little. Still not as mature seeking on X/Twitter, but wanted to make sure the post was accurate.
Yes, throwing the baton in Track and Field is a violation that leads to disqualification. This rule applies whether the baton is thrown in anger, frustration, or as a display of unsportsmanlike conduct after the race.
This appears to be a ChatGTP summary. I looked for the rule and could not find anything about throwing the baton after a race in either the NCAA relay rules or World Athletics relay rules. Maybe I am missing something, but my impression is that there is not a specific rule about throwing the baton, but it falls underthe general umbrella of unsportsmanlike conduct and sanctioned as such. Basically, it is a judgement call from the umpire. In this specific case, it looked pretty tame, and I would have just issued a warning. Whatever.
This falls under NHFS Rules not NCAA or WA. I have been led to believe for years that tossing it underhanded and not hard was not a dq.
You are correct, throwing the baton after a race is permitted by NCAA or WA, but it is explicitly listed as a violation in the NHFS rules. The boy should have waited to be in college before tossing it.
This type of ruling is usually from a rival school's coach. I have experienced it when coaching HS. Some complaints and rulings are childish and ridiculous.
The coach who posted on X said he tossed it to a teammate.
Toss or throw really doesn't matter. Obvious DQ if a toss/throw is in anger. Tossing it to a teammate? Why? Just hand it to the official or put it in the bin if that's how batons are collected. The dq should be more for just being a moron than anything else.
It's a rule in Oregon and we have a person at the state meet collecting batons. We as coaches tell all our kids, run over put it in the bucket and if you want to be upset, do it in the tunnel under the stadium
Yes, throwing the baton in Track and Field is a violation that leads to disqualification. This rule applies whether the baton is thrown in anger, frustration, or as a display of unsportsmanlike conduct after the race.
This appears to be a ChatGTP summary. I looked for the rule and could not find anything about throwing the baton after a race in either the NCAA relay rules or World Athletics relay rules. Maybe I am missing something, but my impression is that there is not a specific rule about throwing the baton, but it falls underthe general umbrella of unsportsmanlike conduct and sanctioned as such. Basically, it is a judgement call from the umpire. In this specific case, it looked pretty tame, and I would have just issued a warning. Whatever.
NFHS rule 5-11. Automatic disqualification for throwing the baton.
Is this dumb? Yes. It's the rule, though, point blank.
If I'm an Oregon coach, I go to the state track clinic after writing to my district rep and advocate for a rule change so the infraction is at least reviewable.
To be honest, the toss looks pretty clearly now out of frustration. Let one slide and it becomes a problem, unfortunately
Know your sport, know your kids, and get it right when it matters
What about after the race is over? And he isn't even on the track any more. Not a DQ. Plus it isn't like he is supposed to give the baton to an official. Each team brings their own batons, right? It would be different if he were supposed to hand it back to someone but tossed it at their feet disrespectfully, but he didn't...
Just curious, can you "drop the baton" into your backpack? Can you toss the baton into your backpack from two feet away? Are you DQed if it misses? That is nuts.
This wasn't part of the race anymore. Watch the video and tell me you'd DQ that kid. You'd run over there from 50m away waving your clipboard say, "you're out!"
It's not just that he tossed the baton, he's generally being a douchebag at the finish. Takes his sweet ass time getting up off the finish line, very slowly walks away- but then turns around and wanders back into lane 1, almost taking out a finishing runner, before cutting through the officials' finish line area and tossing the baton right in front of an official. There's no rule for "general finish line douchebaggery" but there is one for baton tossing so they got him on that.
This might be it. If the kid was being an ass all meet, they nailed him for the "final straw" based on how he was acting beforehand.
We have a kid here in town who is so embarrassing for our school and who always taunts and mocks slower runners, if I could DQ him every time he ran, I would. Maybe it was something like that?
This appears to be a ChatGTP summary. I looked for the rule and could not find anything about throwing the baton after a race in either the NCAA relay rules or World Athletics relay rules. Maybe I am missing something, but my impression is that there is not a specific rule about throwing the baton, but it falls underthe general umbrella of unsportsmanlike conduct and sanctioned as such. Basically, it is a judgement call from the umpire. In this specific case, it looked pretty tame, and I would have just issued a warning. Whatever.
NFHS rule 5-11. Automatic disqualification for throwing the baton.
A throw is overhand. If it's underhand, it is a toss.
Wow people advocating for a DQ are nuts. Not the type of people you want to have at a party.
A toss is different than a throw.
And intent should matter. This is high school sport.
Why was the rule crafted? So come guy who is exhausted couldn't toss or drop the baton in the infield when he was done with it and it would impact no one?
I don't think so.
We're supposed to track him and if he goes into the gymnasium after the track make sure he doesn't drop the baton there too?
Maybe our sport should just let anything go if people think someone should be DQd for this