So you’re talking about a world where you don’t have to compete against 30 year old Kenyans and Mormons? A world where your competition may or may not have qualified for their respective high school state meets? But at altitude?
I don’t think there was much choice. Colorados roster is just not good and I don’t think that was going to change in the 9 months Carlson has been there. The gossip is Colorado administration is reducing their roster numbers and scholarships below the ncaa numbers. They are probably cutting money everywhere to find it for football. Carlson went to Colorado at the worst time possible.
Antonio Camacho-Bucks - 4:07 / 8:58 in high school
Antonio Camacho-Bucks is no longer at Colorado. He transferred to Santa Clara University to compete alongside his former Colorado teammate, Evan Charkut.
Nope. He will only continue to fail upwards. BYU, NAU or NC State next for him. All you had to do was watch the track access video of his group running and doing “lactate testing”. Clueless backasswards reasoning and application.
For comparison I would like to see the times this year of those cut last summer.
OK, I was bored, this probably isn't the complete list, but a start based on the thread last year when it happened.
Charlie Welch - where did he land or retire? Alex Baca - where did he land or retire? Benjamin Greene - where did he land or retire? Nolan Hoffman - where did he land or retire? Evan Charkut - Santa Clara University 15:03 Stefan Haug - I see originally signed to Indiana University Bloomington, then? Jack Nauman - where did he land or retire? Jacob Culig - where did he land or retire? Jake Derouin - where did he land or retire?
Not to be negative, but maybe Sean was onto something, I don't see any of these guys landing anywhere else or making an impact. They were all solid runners in HS, but probably not to level of the runners that replaced them (based on HS PR's).
Charlie Welch - Appears to have stayed at Colorado to finish his degree
Alex Baca - Transferred to Portland. Ran a 4:47 mile in February and a 16:23 5K in March...
Benjamin Greene - Transferred to Oregon. Has run 1:51 four times in the last 2 months
Nolan Hoffman - Appears to have very briefly transferred to School of Mines before transferring to Wyoming. Ran a 16:01 5K in March and a 4:10 1500m last week
Evan Carkut - Santa Clara
Stefan Haug - Appears to no longer be on the roster at IU
Jack Nauman - Transferred to Boston College. Ran a 9:03 3K and a 31:57 10K in April
Jacob Culig - Appears to have stayed at Colorado to finish his degree
Jake Derouin - Finished his degree and is still in Boulder training as a triathlete.
Tough looks for many here, but I disagree with your post. Carlson did these kids very poorly and totally uprooted their lives just days before the start of a new semester, making it nearly impossible to find a new school to transfer to say nothing of things like finding housing. This was all motivated by Carlson's "WIN NOW" mentality that very clearly has not paid off.
You don't get recruited to Colorado to begin with if you don't deserve it. To say they couldn't have contributed or to compare HS times is stupid. Clearly many of them are struggling now but I suspect that has a lot to do with the real turmoil caused by getting cut so abruptly and at such an inopportune moment.
If nothing else, I think Carlson's approach of cutting "developmental kids" and bringing in ready-made talent is proof that he is not a good coach. If you don't think you can turn at least a few of these kids into contributing scorers (esp. in a place like Boulder), what's the point? Can you really coach at all? Seems to me he's nothing more than a talent manager.
The problem is the AD. He wants controversial tough coaches as his football coach ran everyone off and tickets sales, wins and national exposure increased.
Isaiah Givens - 4:08 / 8:53 in high school, 3:55 as a true freshman
Dean Casey - 13:58 in high school, 28:39 as a freshman in NCAA
Chris Cherry - 13:55 transfer
Drew Costello - 1:50 / 4:08 in high school
Wilson Georges - 4:08 in high school
Reese Kilbarger-Stumpff - 4:07 / 8:54 in high school
Jake Liebert - 14:06 in high school
Charles robertson - 8:14 3k in high school
Antonio Camacho-Bucks - 4:07 / 8:58 in high school
Wow, it's actually insane how horrific they are. That's a star-studded roster, and their top guy is running 13:38? Might be worse than Jerry's Oregon.
Probably the dumbest thing you’ve said in a while. Make your bitter point, but reference a program that’s doing well using a lot of Sophomores and Freshman? You are either terribly biased against the Ducks, or you are just plain stupid.
A big factor is that the athletic department has never really cared about being successful. It is a bit like Cal in a way. They don’t need the athletic department to advertise and help drive enrollment. People want to go to CU because it’s cool.
Boulder is very expensive, especially out of state. Website says 33k in state, 66k out of state. Why? Because they can. Rent in Boulder is out of control as well. So no place to save money.
I don’t think CU has the same draw as it did 20 or 30 years ago.
It will be an uphill battle no matter who is there. OSU, Iowa State, Tech, WV, Arizona and ASU all have good international talent. Throw in BYU and the domestic kids and it is a grind. I don’t see them being competitive in conference let alone nationally
I’m no Carlson fan, but he walked into a challenge. That said, he took the job and promised to turn it around.
The program was on the decline and had controversy before Wetmore’s contract expired.
The NCAA has changed too and will continue to change. The easy way out is to bring in East Africans, but with limited money or roster spots can that even be done now.
Gone are the days of the local star wanting to go to Colorado based on reputation alone. NAU is a better environment, Stanford a better school, etc. Boulder as a town doesn’t have the pull it once did.
I’m no Carlson fan, but he walked into a challenge. That said, he took the job and promised to turn it around.
The program was on the decline and had controversy before Wetmore’s contract expired.
The NCAA has changed too and will continue to change. The easy way out is to bring in East Africans, but with limited money or roster spots can that even be done now.
Gone are the days of the local star wanting to go to Colorado based on reputation alone. NAU is a better environment, Stanford a better school, etc. Boulder as a town doesn’t have the pull it once did.
This is all true but on the women's side he now has the talent to be top 15 in his second year. At Tennessee his women's team finished a surprising 6th in his second year and he has the #1 and the #5 off of that team. It will be interesting to see how it goes this fall.
This is factually incorrect. Please don't spread rumors about kids. Both of them have not decided where they're going and both are considering Colorado.
I mean they completely rewrote some top 10 lists at CU and they have some amazing classes coming in. You can dislike the guy without discrediting what he’s done.