More track on television is better than less track on television.
This! Also we are judging this as die hard track fans and not the general public. I think the very idea is to appeal to those who are not yet so intrigued by track and don’t follow the personalities to know enough without the filler. I hope it works. Not my ideal, but has been way more interesting than I expected. Watching Arop in the 1500 and then an 800 the next day with Nuguse and Hocker getting PBs was great.
Yes it could easily be packed in 1 hour. Too much talking and interviews that do not add to the optical package. Athletes generally have little to say more than a short sound bite can cover. There is no doubling of events on a given day, and no field events to be a diversion from the track, either video or in person. I would not want to be sitting there spectating with so much down time and only a focus on events that are about money and less about performance, even if some of the races are captivating. But it is true that pacing and pacing lights are overdone, even down to the HS level. Racing for its own sake may take getting used to again (outside championships).
This is very much an American series, which is fine. The DL is European-centric. The markets are different in support (Euro's will show up to watch) and America needs its own meets - even more so in a MAGA world. I think there is room for both types of meets - eventually they may be able to arrange meets to not compete against each other.
I watched the first two days of the Miami Slam and I've enjoyed the races. I don't mind the broadcast, but what you pointed out above really stands out. So much of the broadcast is the announcers telling us why Grand Slam Track is amazing. It gets a bit annoying after a while.
I get that Grand Slam Track is new and trying to promote itself, but it comes off as a bit desperate at times. It's fine to make sure viewers are familiar with the format and stakes of the races, and I definitely want excitement from my announcers when something amazing happens, like the men's 1500 in Kingston or the women's 100H in Miramar.
But I don't like being constantly told how Grand Slam Track is the greatest thing ever. In journalism, there's an old saying: "show, don't tell." At some point, you have to let the product speak for itself.
It’s off-putting I agree. Two things to dial back are the obsession with prize money and the forced how awesome was that narrative at all times. Let the athletes express it organically like Patterson. And the hurdlers doubling…I’m sorry just gotta go.
Yes it could easily be packed in 1 hour. Too much talking and interviews that do not add to the optical package. Athletes generally have little to say more than a short sound bite can cover. There is no doubling of events on a given day, and no field events to be a diversion from the track, either video or in person. I would not want to be sitting there spectating with so much down time and only a focus on events that are about money and less about performance, even if some of the races are captivating. But it is true that pacing and pacing lights are overdone, even down to the HS level. Racing for its own sake may take getting used to again (outside championships).
This is very much an American series, which is fine. The DL is European-centric. The markets are different in support (Euro's will show up to watch) and America needs its own meets - even more so in a MAGA world. I think there is room for both types of meets - eventually they may be able to arrange meets to not compete against each other.
So I definitely agree with you regarding wavelight. I also don't understand the insistence on having it at every meet for every distance event and I think the DL could utilize this tool in much better ways. First of all I think having WL at the Diamond League final is absolutely horrendous - it's a "final" or a "championship" race in the same way a world or Olympic final is. I think they could either simply designate meets or races throughout the season where it was going to be used or they could even have different "sets" of times so not every 1500m (just as an example) was simply set up to cater for Jakobs physiology time after time.
Regarding the meets competing - well we know who won that battle. I don't think Grand Slam Track could realistically be at a more inopportune time in the season to be honest. We aren't seeing many of the marquee athletes at their best (Hocker, Hull just as two example off the top of my head) - but that's because usually this is the period in the season where these pros are really putting the final touches on getting ready for the "true" outdoor season which historically and traditionally has started with Prefontaine. Grand Slam Track is done a week before that even happens and sadly will be an afterthought come July/August.
I don't think many people believe GST is bad for the sport. That's a separate question from "is the concept and the execution good enough to survive it's seed/startup capital". I think many people just can't see the path right now for how it does. Getting a full(ish) stadium in Miramar, Florida - all 3500 seats, is not going to be enough. That's the level of national permit meets in Europe. And sponsors don't care how happy the athletes are at winning 100k - they want value from their investments. Not sure there would be much right now.
It’s off-putting I agree. Two things to dial back are the obsession with prize money and the forced how awesome was that narrative at all times. Let the athletes express it organically like Patterson. And the hurdlers doubling…I’m sorry just gotta go.
Said this after the first meet - the mentioning of the "hundred kay" is just a massive no-no. Nobody freaking cares except the athletes and their agents. It simply sounds like you are trying to manufacture value of your product via the athletes incentive vs what the product is itself. Who is watching this and is like "oh awesome that person just won 100k, I wonder what it would be like to have this sort of money myself". Nobody.
It’s off-putting I agree. Two things to dial back are the obsession with prize money and the forced how awesome was that narrative at all times. Let the athletes express it organically like Patterson. And the hurdlers doubling…I’m sorry just gotta go.
Said this after the first meet - the mentioning of the "hundred kay" is just a massive no-no. Nobody freaking cares except the athletes and their agents. It simply sounds like you are trying to manufacture value of your product via the athletes incentive vs what the product is itself. Who is watching this and is like "oh awesome that person just won 100k, I wonder what it would be like to have this sort of money myself". Nobody.
You said it so well here. So cringe the whole thing.
The meet could be whittled down to 1 hour. Too much dead time and too many athletes that don't want to be there. The Miami meet looked like it was at a local high school.
The high school sized facility was weird.
My wife asked me what I was watching and I told her it was the "Grand Slam of Track" and she said, "it is not a grand slam if unless they are in Zurich or Brussels. This looks like a high school meet."
Obviously, she is very biased towards the old-school European scene, but it was funny that she said what I was thinking...
So I definitely agree with you regarding wavelight. I also don't understand the insistence on having it at every meet for every distance event and I think the DL could utilize this tool in much better ways. First of all I think having WL at the Diamond League final is absolutely horrendous - it's a "final" or a "championship" race in the same way a world or Olympic final is. I think they could either simply designate meets or races throughout the season where it was going to be used or they could even have different "sets" of times so not every 1500m (just as an example) was simply set up to cater for Jakobs physiology time after time.
Regarding the meets competing - well we know who won that battle. I don't think Grand Slam Track could realistically be at a more inopportune time in the season to be honest. We aren't seeing many of the marquee athletes at their best (Hocker, Hull just as two example off the top of my head) - but that's because usually this is the period in the season where these pros are really putting the final touches on getting ready for the "true" outdoor season which historically and traditionally has started with Prefontaine. Grand Slam Track is done a week before that even happens and sadly will be an afterthought come July/August.
I don't think many people believe GST is bad for the sport. That's a separate question from "is the concept and the execution good enough to survive it's seed/startup capital". I think many people just can't see the path right now for how it does. Getting a full(ish) stadium in Miramar, Florida - all 3500 seats, is not going to be enough. That's the level of national permit meets in Europe. And sponsors don't care how happy the athletes are at winning 100k - they want value from their investments. Not sure there would be much right now.
Yes, Diamond League has gone too far with Wavelight. It should be deployed as a tool for the pacers and occasionally a spectator-friendly thing for record chases. It should not be used for World Leads. I think we all die a little bit when we hear “they’ve let the lights go that’s a shame” said for the umpteenth time.
Yes, talking about money is something insecure people do. It makes the series look "needy" as hell.
If you are doing something for money, that means your motivation is not the thing itself. The thing itself is so-so, but the money makes it worth it.
You don't climb Everest for money. You don't win an Olympic Gold because you need the money. If you really value something, the money is not the primary motivation for doing something.
It’s Stones, not Stone. But is he even working on this broadcast or do you not know the difference between him and John Anderson?
I fast-forward it between events, so I didn’t even see any Michael Johnson, so my commentary is simply related to the races: Anson Henry is embarrassingly bad, and the camera angles on these races are even worse. The 1500m is probably my favorite event, and they had a compelling race with a bunch of big stars, and made it virtually unwatchable.
that’s the biggest thing that needs to be fixed: the races need to actually be presented in a way that you can watch them without getting motion sick and with the ability to see who’s leading, who wins, etc.
"is the concept and the execution good enough to survive it's seed/startup capital". I think many people just can't see the path right now for how it does. Getting a full(ish) stadium in Miramar, Florida - all 3500 seats, is not going to be enough. That's the level of national permit meets in Europe. And sponsors don't care how happy the athletes are at winning 100k - they want value from their investments. Not sure there would be much right now.
I think Salvitore right on the money here (see what I did there?). What’s the financial model here? The headline last year was that MJ had raised 30 million USD from investors. OK, these people aren’t hobbyjoggers in the finance world, but where is the ROI going to come from? That initial capital goes pretty quickly: All 96 athletes get a base salary Total announced prize money for 2025 is 12.6 million USD. Then there’s the cost of housing, feeding (and perhaps transporting?) athletes Each challenger is paid 2000 USD per race The executive team does not come cheap: MJ, Steve Gera, Rick Qualliotine, Teresa Palladino GSL employs three creative agencies for image, marketing, and collateral deals. Since these agencies also work with big moneymakers like Pro Tennis and Pro Football (American), they’re not likely to sign on for a percentage of profits. So, how much capital is projected to be left at the end of Season One? Will MJ and Company have to seek a second round of financing? If that is successful (quite an if, in my opinion), what would the original investors have to give up in ownership shares? Will they still be interested? And, about that prize money. Did Grant Fisher and Josh Kerr each get checks for 100,000 USD at the end of the two meets in Kingston and Miramar? Or, for “tax reasons” are these prizes going to be drawn down over a period of years? If so, serious counterparty risk, if you ask me. I don’t wish any ill toward MJ, his partners and their project. But I think their model needs some serious scrutiny, especially in light of the crowd size in both Jamaica and Florida. Anyone have solid data on how this initiative is going to play out?
I watched the first two days of the Miami Slam and I've enjoyed the races. I don't mind the broadcast, but what you pointed out above really stands out. So much of the broadcast is the announcers telling us why Grand Slam Track is amazing. It gets a bit annoying after a while.
I get that Grand Slam Track is new and trying to promote itself, but it comes off as a bit desperate at times. It's fine to make sure viewers are familiar with the format and stakes of the races, and I definitely want excitement from my announcers when something amazing happens, like the men's 1500 in Kingston or the women's 100H in Miramar.
But I don't like being constantly told how Grand Slam Track is the greatest thing ever. In journalism, there's an old saying: "show, don't tell." At some point, you have to let the product speak for itself.
It’s off-putting I agree. Two things to dial back are the obsession with prize money and the forced how awesome was that narrative at all times. Let the athletes express it organically like Patterson. And the hurdlers doubling…I’m sorry just gotta go.
Yeah, in some events I'm fine with the doubling. It has led to some unpredictable outcomes, and that's a good thing! But the hurdlers doubling has just been...weird. We've had three slam champions crowned in the high hurdles, and all of them were the athletes who won the flat 100m on day 2 rather than the hurdle race on day 1. That just feels wrong.
The two events are weighted equally, but we all know these are hurdlers (particularly so in the high hurdles; some of the 400 hurdlers are actually quite good at the 400). So you get a scenario where Masai Russell runs one of the greatest hurdle races of all time but doesn't win the slam because she's not good at the 100, an event that doesn't matter to her or any of her opponents.
The meet could be whittled down to 1 hour. Too much dead time and too many athletes that don't want to be there. The Miami meet looked like it was at a local high school.
The high school sized facility was weird.
My wife asked me what I was watching and I told her it was the "Grand Slam of Track" and she said, "it is not a grand slam if unless they are in Zurich or Brussels. This looks like a high school meet."
Obviously, she is very biased towards the old-school European scene, but it was funny that she said what I was thinking...
Good point - the "Grand Slam" of track has been done before - 30 years ago. It was called the Golden Four and it went from 1993(92?) to 1997. Oslo, Zurich, Brussels, Berlin.
there's no insentive for athletes to go for PR's or world records. everything is based off wins. so stop complaining about all these sit and kicks. especially Grant. he's just playing by the rules they set up. why kill himself when he doesn't have to.
an easy fix that might work - offer a million dollar bonus for any World Record and a $100K bonus for a PR.
I wonder how Grant will approach today's 5000. Will he wait to see what the others do, risking losing again in a photo finish, which would jeopardize first place overall and $100K, or will he try to break away from Teare, Coscoran and Mills at a faster pace?