Jakob: 1, 2, 2, 4 (consistently good, medaling 75% of the time and in the top four every time)
Hocker: 6, -, 7, 1 (usually bad, with one fluke win)
Nuguse: -, -, 5, 3 (usually bad, with one fluke medal that wasn't even a win)
You can go ahead and bet how you like.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Jakob’s win was the flukiest. It was a covid year with no fans in the stadium. He hasn’t been able to replicate it, and his placements have gotten progressively worse. I’m sorry these facts upset you.
When picking who’s going to win this year, I’ll go with someone who is trending up over someone who is trending down.
The one Jakob did win. Tell us how he won it again?
LOLOLOL now you are not counting certain wins based on...race strategy??
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Of the top of my head, in 2021 Ingebrigtsen ran 3:28.32 for a PR/NR/OR, winning by 0.69 seconds -- 0.73 ahead of Kerr, 3.08 ahead of Hocker, and 6.77 ahead of Wightman.
Their attempts to race with him were kind of adorable, although a bit sad at the same time.
Is that somehow less meritorious than Wightman and Kerr winning by smaller margins in slower races?
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Related question: Has Wightman retired since his one global medal?
Gosh, medaling three times at global 1500s must be hard! I wonder: is there a runner who has done so, with a better medal record than any other active runner? 🕵️♂️
He only won one global 1500m. So I asked regarding the one he did win. How did he win it. Since you couldn't type it out he basically had an in race pacer. Someone else set the pace FAST and he thrived off that. Just like his diamond league race wins. Every championship since then he's tried to emulate Timmy and it has not worked out. Safe to say it won't workout at this point. They'll just run 3:26 next time if he runs faster 😭😂.
Jakob’s win was the flukiest. It was a covid year with no fans in the stadium. He hasn’t been able to replicate it, and his placements have gotten progressively worse. I’m sorry these facts upset you.
When picking who’s going to win this year, I’ll go with someone who is trending up over someone who is trending down.
'His win doesn't count because there were no fans in the stadium.' 😆😆😆😆😆
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Did the level of crowd noise somehow uniquely slow down Kerr, Hocker and Wightman, while helping Ingebrigtsen to run a one-second PR? 😆😆😆😆😆
Or did they all compete under the same conditions, with one very dominant winner?
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Anyway, per your handle, get back on topic: are you picking Hocker to win WC this year?
Jakob’s sole outdoor global championship 1500m win nearly 4 years ago in a fluke setting has no bearing on who will win that event this year.
Yes, as long as he stays healthy, Hocker is my pick to win this year. He’s trending up.
Good thing you can watch that video from 2021. It’s the only way you’ll ever see Jakob win an outdoor global championship 1500m race again.
Agreed, Jakob is a fraud who can only time trial fast times in meaningless events. He doesn’t have a kick either and may lose the 5000m as well this year due to Fisher and Aregawi inproving their kicks. Poor Ingebrigtsen.
Jakob’s sole outdoor global championship 1500m win nearly 4 years ago in a fluke setting has no bearing on who will win that event this year.
Yes, as long as he stays healthy, Hocker is my pick to win this year. He’s trending up.
OK, you place your money, and I'll place mine.
Aside from winning Olympic gold (which you think doesn't count because it was a fast race with no fans in the stadium🤡), I think that coming 2nd, 2nd, and 4th in the last three global finals is auspicious for the following season.
I already look forward to bringing back this thread after the WC final.
DLs aren’t global races. Those are time trials with a small number of handpicked runners.
Global races = global championships. In outdoor global races, Cheruiyot, Ingebrigtsen, Wightman, Kerr, and Hocker are tied with 1 win each.
Well, to be fair, it is harder to win the Pre Classic mile or Monaco 1500 than it is to win World Indoors in the 1500m.
I think the real metric should be "how many races have you watched where Kerr, Hocker, Nuguse, or Jakob was the winner?" For me, I would count Millrose, USAs, 5th Ave. Mile, and the DL final as huge WINS if I were an athlete on that level. Personally, those races also rank as very important...
So if we are honest, Cole Hocker is really good at winning USAs, so that should count. He won NCAAs so that should count. He won the freaking Olympics. He is a winner.
Nuguse has won DL races but not much else, so I am reluctant to put him in the "he just wins" group, though the WR indoors boosted his status in my mind.
Kerr won Pre, World Indoors, 5th Ave. and Worlds!
They are all good at winning.
The problem is just that Jakob wins so much more often...
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How did he win it. Since you couldn't type it out he basically had an in race pacer. Someone else set the pace FAST and he thrived off that. Just like his diamond league race wins.
Hey, nice description of Hocker's 2024 win!
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You want to argue that Ingebrigsen's Olympic win, paced by Cheruiyot, doesn't count.
And you want to argue that Hocker's Olympic win, paced by Ingebrigtsen, does count. 🙄🤣🥱😵
DLs aren’t global races. Those are time trials with a small number of handpicked runners.
I would count Millrose, USAs, 5th Ave. Mile, and the DL final as huge WINS if I were an athlete on that level. Personally, those races also rank as very important...
So if we are honest, Cole Hocker is really good at winning USAs, so that should count. He won NCAAs so that should count. He won the freaking Olympics. He is a winner.
Nuguse has won DL races but not much else, so I am reluctant to put him in the "he just wins" group, though the WR indoors boosted his status in my mind.
Kerr won Pre, World Indoors, 5th Ave. and Worlds!
They are all good at winning.
The problem is just that Jakob wins so much more often...
Restricting things to the 1500 so that the Hocker glazers can minimize Ingebrigtsen...
- Jakob is good at winning: Olympic gold x1, plus countless Diamond Leagues and European Championships.
- Kerr wins occasionally: WC gold x1, plus World Indoor (which J.I. has), one DL (of which J.I. has 16), Fifth Avenue (if you want to talk about "handpicked fields"). That's literally it. Ever.
- Hocker wins a lot domestically (NCAA/USATF), and almost never on the international stage: Olympic gold x1 (like J.I.), and not a single international win other than that.
I would count Millrose, USAs, 5th Ave. Mile, and the DL final as huge WINS if I were an athlete on that level. Personally, those races also rank as very important...
So if we are honest, Cole Hocker is really good at winning USAs, so that should count. He won NCAAs so that should count. He won the freaking Olympics. He is a winner.
Nuguse has won DL races but not much else, so I am reluctant to put him in the "he just wins" group, though the WR indoors boosted his status in my mind.
Kerr won Pre, World Indoors, 5th Ave. and Worlds!
They are all good at winning.
The problem is just that Jakob wins so much more often...
Restricting things to the 1500 so that the Hocker glazers can minimize Ingebrigtsen...
- Jakob is good at winning: Olympic gold x1, plus countless Diamond Leagues and European Championships.
- Kerr wins occasionally: WC gold x1, plus World Indoor (which J.I. has), one DL (of which J.I. has 16), Fifth Avenue (if you want to talk about "handpicked fields"). That's literally it. Ever.
- Hocker wins a lot domestically (NCAA/USATF), and almost never on the international stage: Olympic gold x1 (like J.I.), and not a single international win other than that.
It’s pretty clear that physiologically, Jakob is suited for distances 2000m-2 Miles. He continually gets outkicked in global championships over 1500m, and may get outkicked over 5000m if faster runners move up. It is wiser to bet on the field than Jakob, always.
When picking who’s going to win this year, I’ll go with someone who is trending up over someone who is trending down.
I remember when people said that Centro's Olympic win wasn't a fluke, and that he would get a global win again. Even once. Ever.
He did not. He came 8th in his only global showing after Rio. It's almost like collecting three global medals in the 1500 is rare! (J.I.✅)
Will Hocker's win record turn out just like Centro's? (Exactly one global win, ever?)
At least Centro also won a DL (x1), and picked up a WC silver+bronze. (And he ran/won World Indoor, which Hocker didn't show up for.)
Pretty slim resume compared to J.I., but it's nice when someone else gets to win...one time.
Overall resumes mean little compared to recent trends when forecasting for the future. Going into the 2012 Olympic 10k, Bekele had a much better resume than Farah (and way better resume in that event than Jakob has in the 1500). But Farah was trending up while Bekele had been trending down. Who won the race? The guy who was trending up.