Boys and girls, it appears you have all been trolled. After reading this post, I thought it sounded fishy so I looked up the poster's other posts. They also started another thread af few weeks ago claiming to have run 15:30 in xc - whereas in this thread it's just 16:30.
PS. As a former D1 coach, I'll say this. The people I really didn't see much interest in recruiting at Cornell were milers who had no speed and weren't good at xc. People with times like the troll's.
I’m a senior in high school that has run a 1:57 800m, 4:15 1600m, 9:50 3200m, and a 16:30 5k. I’ve emailed over 15 d1 college coaches and have either gotten ignored or turned away. I feel like my 1600 is good enough for recruitment, but I admit my other events are lacking. Is there anyway I can find a spot on a team with my current times? Or do I need a big jump? (probably in longer distances)
If you're a mile specialist, look at conferences where you'll score and email them
There’s really no such thing as a mile specialist and a runner will be just as good in either the 800m or 3200m. As others have pointed out, 1:57/4:15 shows good strength and the OP should easily be under 9:20,
Which 15 exactly? If big name schools not surprised they might be ignoring you. Your 1600m time is great for high school tbh but the "big" programs won't even take a second look at you. Email others or think about going to D2 or even D3 (what u did) where you will more attention and develop better.
3200 and 5K times are too slow. The coaches are not interested someone who won't score for them. Otherwise, you're just taking up a space. But there are many div I teams. I would there are many teams that want you. Just not Stanford, OKS, Oregon, etc.
I was a 49/1:52/ 4:15 guy (missed my junior year and played other sports). I had a lot of confidence I could get my 800 down to sub 1:50 with more specific training as I had pretty much raced myself into shape senior season. I felt strong and healthy, got over some mental health stuff, and was ready to make an impact.
E-mailed an about a dozen coaches, no one returned my messages, one guy did at a mid tier d1 school, went to visit, he was only offering a walk-on spot. In hind sight I would have taken his offer and worked for a scholarship, but I chose to stay home and go to school locally to save money. I didn’t really have any one in my corner or anyone to coach me about the recruiting process, my coaches were just random teachers who filled the role, I went to a small school, they had me doing air squats and stuff for practice. signed up for the SAT’s myself etc. If I were to do it again I would be way more aggressive I’d make an e-mail that was professional level cover letter style and send it to every school imaginable personalized for each school. I’d treat it like a full time job trying to get recruited, and once again I’d take that walk-on offer. But that’s truly if you believe in yourself though and ability to improve to a sub 4 miler.
I think we can assume that he isn't above average academically. If he were, he would have applied to a bunch of schools in the fall and figured out running as part of that process. Again, it's (basically) April of his senior year. He has the best opportunities NOW to drop his times - the end of his senior season all the way through the National meets in June.
You assume that he has parents who will support that. And even that plan has short deadlines. Coaches will sign next year's class in November so he would have to run some crazy track times this summer. There just aren't that many opportunities and it is even harder when not on a team.
He’ll be an adult making his own choices. If he lets his parents interfere with his dreams, no one to blame but himself. You have to make sacrifices in life, which sometimes include not letting your parents hold you back. If the OP wants to improve, he’ll find a way with or without parental support.
The plan doesn’t have deadlines. The whole point is he’ll have more freedom to be selective and take his time to improve instead of being another victim of the rat race. If he wants to, he could just say screw collegiate running altogether. Nobody has ever stopped anyone from training hard and running fast. If those are his goals, then he will find races to compete in even if he has to skip the collegiate system.
It is not harder when not on a team. There’s several pros that train with maybe two or three other partners and are completely unhampered by team scoring goals and can pick when and where they want to race. Think outside the box for once.
If I saw those times, I'd think the 1600m time was really a 1500m time as it stands out as unlike the others.
His 1:57 is about in line with 4:15. Like a lot of 8/15/mile types his endurance just falls off a cliff before two miles and gets regressively worse the longer the distance. I bet in his current fitness if he were to race a 10k he would struggle to break 35:30 and if he ran a ten mile uptempo he would struggle with 6:20 pace.
If you're a mile specialist, look at conferences where you'll score and email them
There’s really no such thing as a mile specialist and a runner will be just as good in either the 800m or 3200m. As others have pointed out, 1:57/4:15 shows good strength and the OP should easily be under 9:20,
As a D1 coach I would argue a 1:57 shows a potentially lack of speed development. I don't know enough about the kid's background to make an accurate assumption.
There’s really no such thing as a mile specialist and a runner will be just as good in either the 800m or 3200m. As others have pointed out, 1:57/4:15 shows good strength and the OP should easily be under 9:20,
As a D1 coach I would argue a 1:57 shows a potentially lack of speed development. I don't know enough about the kid's background to make an accurate assumption.
Seeing that 1:57 I'd also wonder if he's ever gone out fast enough in an 8 to run 1:54. A lot of hs coaches preach negative split or even splits for 800 runners and don't spend any time developing basic speed to ever find out. It's just easier to cake on mileage for 3200 improvement. As if the 3200 is SOOO much farther than a 1600 lol
He is an 18 year old high schooler. He takes your plan to his parents today. They say no and cut him off. He has 2 months of High school left with no car, no food, no apartment, no insurance, no running shoes. Great plan.
If you're a mile specialist, look at conferences where you'll score and email them
There’s really no such thing as a mile specialist and a runner will be just as good in either the 800m or 3200m. As others have pointed out, 1:57/4:15 shows good strength and the OP should easily be under 9:20,
Hopefully you don’t coach cause trying to be one of the best in the 3000/3200 and up, you will most definitely give up speed in 800/1600
If this is a real post here is what I am thinking the situation is (coached DI for a decade).
Rosters are getting smaller and you are very late in the game. Everyone is tightening the belt. Usually at this time of year the recruiting class was wrapped up. Applications were due in the fall. Heck some kids had already paid a deposit.
With a 4:15 try to get to one of the top JC programs. The Iowas, Texas ones, Arizona has a few, California is limited to those kids usually. Train hard and in a year your options will be different.
Option 2, Go to the college you want to go to and keep training. Heck of a lot easier as a coach to get someone on the team who is enrolled in classes.
Option 3- the extreme. Take a gap year, double T your azz off and throw down some times
He is an 18 year old high schooler. He takes your plan to his parents today. They say no and cut him off. He has 2 months of High school left with no car, no food, no apartment, no insurance, no running shoes. Great plan.
So according to you no young person has ever struck out on their own, found a self-sustaining job, set their own goals, paid their own bills, and accomplished their own dreams? According to you pretty much everyone the OP’s age, even after becoming an adult, is basically their parents’ slave then with no ability to make their own choices. It might be the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. It’s laughably limiting and isn’t reflective of reality. I would invite you to get out more, you have a sheltered attitude.
Gonna need to drop that 3200 and place high at your xc state meet. You can run in college with those times, but most likely not at the schools you want.
Sure you can. I was mainly hoopster in high school and had these PRs:
2:00 800 - ran once leading off relay.
4:32 1600
10:00 3200 - ran once.
I got super fit following summer. Visited head track coach of a very good D1 school and lied about my time and did 1 workout with team and 2 days later ran conference xc meet.
I don't think most of you have any clue about the average division 1 program. I'm in Iowa. Yeah, 4:15 isn't going to cut it for scholarship at Iowa State. At Iowa, Drake, and UNI, you will get some attention. Division 1 doesn't mean just the top 10 schools in the nation.
here's the deal. there's one set he's not making on time. there's a second set where he might have been recruited but has waited so late admissions is done and the recruited team for next year is basically committed. it's not just having the times, it's offering them to the right place at the right time. if you bark up the wrong tree early then try what seemed "safe" later, "safety" schools needed to fill their team, too, and may have done so before he calls.he might have "gotten some attention" a few months ago. by now they may have committed to worse athletes because that was all they knew and it's nearly april.
Frankly, 4:15 is solid for high school, but its still barely a walk on time at high level D1 schools. It would be good for lower level D1 schools, but none of your other times show that you have reliability, and kind of makes you look like a one trick pony. Gotta lower that 3200 and 800. Relax, you've still got over half of a track season to do it.