He went to China to run a couple of footraces. He wasn't there to do anything important like many people do in their jobs who are going through their own trials and tribulations in their personal lives. Be real.
Let’s be real, you’re a sad troll who has nothing better to do their life.
Be real. The truth hurts you. Jakob is a special runner. He's not a special compartmentalizer.
Certainly Jakob is not the only mentally tough person in the world, but I still think it’s pretty amazing that he’d travel to China, win double gold, knowing he needs to be back in Norway within a few days, face his father in open court, and provide testimony that might send him to prison. You think that’s run of the mill? No, that’s remarkable.
He went to China to run a couple of footraces. He wasn't there to do anything important like many people do in their jobs who are going through their own trials and tribulations in their personal lives. Be real.
Ok tough guy….
Ive been around a long time and know a lot of people and I know exactly zero who have testified against their parent in a criminal court about the child abuse they and their sibs experienced. I think this is like at least a 9 out of ten on the “trials and tribulations” rank list.
He went to China to run a couple of footraces. He wasn't there to do anything important like many people do in their jobs who are going through their own trials and tribulations in their personal lives. Be real.
Ok tough guy….
Ive been around a long time and know a lot of people and I know exactly zero who have testified against their parent in a criminal court about the child abuse they and their sibs experienced. I think this is like at least a 9 out of ten on the “trials and tribulations” rank list.
I'm not saying the trial isn't serious. I agree, it's a 9 on the trials and tribulations list. The things that I listed are also a 9, or higher: Divorce, loss of loved ones, being stalked, about to get evicted, life-threatening disease diagnoses, cancer treatments, supporting a parent with dementia, supporting a kid with drug addiction, etc.
My contention is that his job as a runner isn't all that important, so saying his ability to win a couple of footraces while dealing with the trial is "mental fortitude and compartmentalizing at its most amazing" is crazy. People deal with 9- or 10-level trials and tribulations while working much more important jobs. Someone dealing those trials and tribulations while operating as a brain surgeon is much more amazing than dealing with a 9-level situation while running laps around a track.
"This is mental fortitude and compartmentalizing at its most amazing." Are you serious? Yeah, it's a very serious situation that I'm sorry he has to deal with, but come on. People have to compartmentalize difficult and serious things in their lives all the time. Divorce, loss of loved ones, being stalked, about to get evicted, life-threatening disease diagnoses, cancer treatments, supporting a parent with dementia, supporting a kid with drug addiction, etc.
And people deal with those difficult and serious things while working jobs that are actually important, like surgeons, teachers, pilots, firefighters, etc. Jakob is having to deal with a difficult situation while running. Have some perspective.
Well...Jakob's job is important for a different reason. He inspires humanity through pushing boundaries and setting world records. Competition at its purist level.
I think this whole ordeal will further contribute to a historic season from Jakob.
I precict he will break both of Hicham El Guerrouj's remaining world records this summer, channeling his anger & frustration regarding this trial and losses at previous global finals into the ultimate performance.
Agreed. Let's clarify things here: we need something legitimately bad to be shown about the allegee, the defendant. Something incontrovertibly bad.
is there some kind of implied essai (what acronym it sounds like) of the fourth Ingebrigtsen child? Is it something for which they must build a case upon different grounds to reach the desired verdict? Means to an end?
I believe there are many layers to unfold and not a clear case. And one can choose to look at it at many different angles. Was Gjert a terrible father? Most probably. He even admits it. But honestly, have we not all had our own little battles with our parents or father or mother?
Its healthy to move away from your parents when you are 20-25 years old, to venture n explore on your own. I think this might be the part that the Ingebrigtsen boys missed a lot. Being to dependent on their parents. So they are "overcompensating".
Somebody might object and say; " but Hey man, abuse is not acceptable". Well, agree but reality is not black n white n sunshine n fairytales. In my experience every friend's family i encountered had their stuff. Abuse, alcoholic, suicide, civil war horrors (somali friends), cheating, ugly divorces etc etc
i can go on and on. Im not saying those are acceptable, im just saying in real Life, thats the harsh reality for most people. Part of normal life. As I have experienced it.
Was Gjert a good running coach? YES, in terms of success. Top elite Sport is not about making friends or being nice. Results is the only true measure and No one can deny that he achieved.
You have to sacrifice to reach n achieve what Jakob has. Its not called blood, tears n sweat for nothing.
Im sure many coaches/trainers have stepped over the line while training would be Olympic medalists. I know one coach (pole Vault) that used to be pretty crazy but he mellowed. He has coached an Olympic gold medalist. So its not a "nobody" im talking about...
The whole thing is sad. I've been reading up on it this morning. Some points.
1.The saddest to me - Jakob says he doesn't remember any good times with his dad. He also only refers to Gjert as "the defendant" and stopped calling him dad at age 11.
Can you remember any good experiences at home, the prosecutor asked. – I'm a little unsure, said Jakob after a pause for thought. The prosecutor then read from a police interrogation in which
Jakob saying he can't remember any good times with his dad makes me think he's not a credible witness. I don't believe for one second that he is unable to recall any good times with his dad. More likely he just doesn't want to say anything nice about his father. He's trying to portray him as an evil man and put him in jail. Based on that, I don't believe anything Jakob says.
"This is mental fortitude and compartmentalizing at its most amazing." Are you serious? Yeah, it's a very serious situation that I'm sorry he has to deal with, but come on. People have to compartmentalize difficult and serious things in their lives all the time. Divorce, loss of loved ones, being stalked, about to get evicted, life-threatening disease diagnoses, cancer treatments, supporting a parent with dementia, supporting a kid with drug addiction, etc.
And people deal with those difficult and serious things while working jobs that are actually important, like surgeons, teachers, pilots, firefighters, etc. Jakob is having to deal with a difficult situation while running. Have some perspective.
Well...Jakob's job is important for a different reason. He inspires humanity through pushing boundaries and setting world records. Competition at its purist level.
Haha. Not much humanity in the stands watching world indoors in China. The category of Jakob's job is literally called "sport and leisure." Not even in the top half of most important jobs in the world.
Prison sentence would be harsh IMO based on what I'm reading. In the US, you'd get a restraining order unless it was sexual.abuse .... in which case that is a prison sentence.
Double Olympic champion Jakob Ingebrigtsen tells a court on Tuesday that his father Gjert "manipulated" and "controlled" him throughout his upbringing.
4) It's ridiculous this trial is going to last 7 weeks. That is an incredible waste of government resources and time.
Why do you think this is a waste of resources?
These are some of the most well known people in norwegian mass media and sport; most people watched these kids grow up and if this Gjert is found guilty this will be rather significant in terms of how norwegian society reckons with what it is willing to do for international status. Or are you arguing that what has been disclosed isnt 'abuse' in which case you should be aware that «Vær Varsom» means certain details cannot be reproduced by credentialed media.
This is very scary. I can only see the situation getting worse in Norway. In a few years, it will be a criminal act to tell your children to finish eating their carrots.
I don’t understand why someone would want to have a child in Norway now. It’s very dangerous. Imagine if your child has psychological issues (drug use…). How impossible would it be to have him in your house.
This is mental fortitude and compartmentalizing at its most amazing. Winning double gold at world indoors just days before having to testify in court about your abusive father. I think many people would not be able to function at a high level in any endeavor when faced with such a difficult moment.
I don't really want to comment on the ins and outs of this case but I will say this is just a sad and sh-tty situation all-round. Damn.
This is mental fortitude and compartmentalizing at its most amazing. Winning double gold at world indoors just days before having to testify in court about your abusive father. I think many people would not be able to function at a high level in any endeavor when faced with such a difficult moment.
I don't really want to comment on the ins and outs of this case but I will say this is just a sad and sh-tty situation all-round. Damn.
I have a theory on why JI has it out against his dad. Not so much any verbal abuse and stealing his childhood, as lots of parents do to their kids here in the US, you see it a lot for soccer, wrestling and baseball…prob other sports but def the high % rich white sports. Little Tommy has to do practice before school, after school then all summer long. I knew a few in school like this, and once they hit college they cut off their parents and never looked back, some dropped out of college and became addicts or alcoholics. But with JI I bet it was deeper, prob blood tests to perfectly dial blood lactate levels and V02 max tests and all the other tests to optimize things all at a very young age. We might find out PEDs we’re involved, who knows but say it was all legal try to imagine rocky 4 with drago, but with a 8 yr old kid. Imagine the PTSD as a kid that your workouts hurt, getting poked with needles and medical tubes and testing and never getting to say “I don’t like this dad”
it reminds me of grainville and his dad’s relationship, but 100x worse. I mean all the sh*ty body tattoos screams rebellion, self harm and deep insecurity from a severely painful childhood that JI prob doesn’t even recognize
4) It's ridiculous this trial is going to last 7 weeks. That is an incredible waste of government resources and time.
Norwegian child abuse laws and child protective services are far more far reaching and aggressive than in the USA. Parents are not given the benefit of the doubt and it takes far less to find parents culpable or to remove children from the home.
If people are interested, there is a great movie made in India that touches on this titled Mrs Chatterjee versus Norway.
