Klecker 25 x 400 in 64-65

trying to figure out what is the aim of such a workout?

speed would be faster with recovery to get quality without..

anaerobic ... would be not on point

416 mile pace would be 5 to 10k specific

repeat 430 miles and thrown in 42x miles at the end is a mainstay i'd use instead of these intermediate short recovery 400s

still the workout is somewhat ok... unfocused.

unfocused? it's 10k worth of work at his 10k pace. It's stimulus. It's a building block workout to prep his body for longer repeats.

the whole point of a workout like this is to provide stimulus in order to support future 4 x 2 mile workouts

We would do 12x440 back in the 70s as 65 secs.

And we were milers who had PRs from 4:20 to 4:50.

So about half of that work-out.

Big however, don't recall what the rest between reps was but surely a lot longer than 30 secs

Big Deal. I've done 60x400 in 62/63. 20 reps (x3). Sets of 5 - 110 jog/rep, 440 jog/set. Once at 20 reps, 880 jog then repeat.
Ran 3:52 before super spikes were a thing.

Shelby H. just posted a 20 x 400 (30 seconds rest) workout at 7000 ft elevation in around 72-73 second average. Who was more impressive?

I find this kind of interesting. I have no idea what workouts Klecker does.

It is a good workout. Its not a sub 60 minute type of workout but I'm not sure what he was working on. Maybe he is building for a second set.

Wait till he hears about Jacob kiplimo💀🙏

He also ran 18km and then bought some lamb

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He even did a recovery run of 10k at 7min per mile pace

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View Joe Klecker's run on March 12, 2025 | Strava

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We get it. You your a fan of his. We can follow his strava too. Its a good workout, but does 64/65 reps (not even a pace that factors in an elite 10,000m) really deserve a new thread after you post one every few weeks on these message boards.

did good job

This pace for Klecker is faster than his 10k PB. Shelby's pace is slightly slower compared to her level of talent as I think she probably should only be 10% slower than Klecker. We know she time-trialed a 10k recently in around 30:30 in pretty bad conditions, and this workout isn't any faster than that.

2 min rest between sets for Klecker but Shelby only did 20 reps instead of 25.

Slightly more impressive workout relative to ability for Klecker, but workouts aren't races.

I know of a high schooler last year that did 24x400 w/30 sec rest and averaged 65.2. To put in perspective Jakob does this same workout and averages 60.XX. Both the high school kid and Jakob will do it all at once not sets.

thanks, i don't get it, will keep in mind.

i think the focus pace for this fellow is 430 miles not 416.

Did he look relaxed?

The issue for me is that threshold workouts like this are not "pretty good" or impressive or great or terrible. They are by definition manageable workouts that are either done at the correct pace for the individual or slightly or terribly off the correct pace. Only he and his coach have a sense of whether a threshold workout was a good one.

This board is a joke. Now sub 27 10k pace is a threshold workout. 😂😂😂

Reminds me of a thread about a year ago in which the poster asked people which races they ran over the past year. The thread got about responses, the poster correctly concluded that most people here don’t even run.

Sure, it is. How many 16 year olds can run a sub 13:30 5K?

Indeed. It took a lot of posts before this came up. Linked, not a single poster had mentioned what strava showed for klecker's HR in this session, and what this might indicate for the intensity (assuming no lactate levels included in the strava data).

I'm not a USA person and have no views on klecker but the idea that a man of his running level and experience would be blundering through a "wrong " workout seems highly improbable.