Solid interview. Wish she had been asked whether she thought it was possible someone sabotaged her, and if so, who would that have been and how would that have happened? Or whether she suspects anyone in her camp to maybe have been taking and somehow they shared supplements or something that would implicate them. Or has anyone ever pressured her to dope. Whether she thought the breakup of BTC was partly because of her and what was her reaction when Gabriela DeBues-Stafford essentially left BTC in protest?
Rojo and Gault claim to be “journalists” so they HAD to do a Shelby interview of one way or another,
but they go out of their way time and time again to ask straight up softball questions or softball questions in the guise of “tough questions.”
this wasn’t journalism by LRC, this was “journalism washing.”
It gives LRC the appearance of doing real journalism so that they can say that they’ve been tough on Shelby when we all know they’ve been anything but since day one
and it gives Shelby another chance to spout off her lies as truth
I don’t think strong criticism of this interview is justified. Robert was too accommodating and explanatory on behalf of Shelby, and to some extent he was putting words in Shelby’s mouth, but in general, the right questions were asked. Shelby gave her answers, and Robert and Jonathan can only push back so much because there are no new facts. Shelby is not denying nandro was in her system, so it’s the question of intent, and there is nothing new out there on this one way or another. The interview tone was friendly and not confrontational, but the latter does not equal good journalism necessarily.
The results of this study showed that the intake of microgram amounts of a prohibited substance in a nutritional supplement could cause an athlete to fail a dope test.
A case of misleading analysis, inaccurate statements, and bogus evidence For those unfamiliar with the case, American 1500 meter runner Shelby Houlihan revealed in a press conference on June 14th, …
I don’t think strong criticism of this interview is justified. Robert was too accommodating and explanatory on behalf of Shelby, and to some extent he was putting words in Shelby’s mouth, but in general, the right questions were asked. Shelby gave her answers, and Robert and Jonathan can only push back so much because there are no new facts. Shelby is not denying nandro was in her system, so it’s the question of intent, and there is nothing new out there on this one way or another. The interview tone was friendly and not confrontational, but the latter does not equal good journalism necessarily.
I agree with this. The Shelby alternate explanations that she presented were honestly kinda weak, which is always going to be her problem. The burrito, as implausible as it was on a million levels, remains her best theory. Contaminated gummy vitamins? Unless I missed something she took dodgy supplements completely off the table. There was some birth control idea that seemed maybe like something, but you'd have to assume it was nothing because a) nothing came of it b) how many female athletes are on birth control.
There's three ways of thinking about Shelby kinda giving herself fewer and fewer outs with how she says things:
A) She's telling the truth to her detriment because she is just 100% trying to be honest
B) She's telling the truth to her detriment to seem 100% believable while withholding information and lying
C) She's just straight-up lying and wants to form a better story. "Look at me I don't even use supplements or want to use superspikes, I have no idea what nandrolone is, that burrito was so insane I knew it was off."
I don't really know why she'd add extra, unhelpful details like I didn't even finish the greasy burrito (so you'd have a lower nandrolone level, dum dum), or I don't even do supplements (taking off one of the best ways to get off).
The one question I would've liked to see from the Jon and Rojo was probably around the crazy post-mile at BU interview where she's talking about setting an indoor mile WR.
I don’t think strong criticism of this interview is justified. Robert was too accommodating and explanatory on behalf of Shelby, and to some extent he was putting words in Shelby’s mouth, but in general, the right questions were asked. Shelby gave her answers, and Robert and Jonathan can only push back so much because there are no new facts. Shelby is not denying nandro was in her system, so it’s the question of intent, and there is nothing new out there on this one way or another. The interview tone was friendly and not confrontational, but the latter does not equal good journalism necessarily.
I agree with this. The Shelby alternate explanations that she presented were honestly kinda weak, which is always going to be her problem. The burrito, as implausible as it was on a million levels, remains her best theory. Contaminated gummy vitamins? Unless I missed something she took dodgy supplements completely off the table. There was some birth control idea that seemed maybe like something, but you'd have to assume it was nothing because a) nothing came of it b) how many female athletes are on birth control.
There's three ways of thinking about Shelby kinda giving herself fewer and fewer outs with how she says things:
A) She's telling the truth to her detriment because she is just 100% trying to be honest
B) She's telling the truth to her detriment to seem 100% believable while withholding information and lying
C) She's just straight-up lying and wants to form a better story. "Look at me I don't even use supplements or want to use superspikes, I have no idea what nandrolone is, that burrito was so insane I knew it was off."
I don't really know why she'd add extra, unhelpful details like I didn't even finish the greasy burrito (so you'd have a lower nandrolone level, dum dum), or I don't even do supplements (taking off one of the best ways to get off).
The one question I would've liked to see from the Jon and Rojo was probably around the crazy post-mile at BU interview where she's talking about setting an indoor mile WR.
Shelby and her team have never eliminated supplement contamination as a possibility. She was unable to test all of the same batches — that is my understanding.
There are two ways I can think of that birth control can lead to a positive test. One is well-known, expected in some cases and spelled out in the WADA technical document. Shelby’s team seems to think this was considered sufficiently … and maybe it had been, but I have some skepticism.
It still doesn't and didn't help Houlihan get over a pretty low bar, which was that accidental contamination was more likely than not. She couldn't. Case over.
It still doesn't and didn't help Houlihan get over a pretty low bar, which was that accidental contamination was more likely than not. She couldn't. Case over.
It is case closed. She was banned and served her time out of the sport. Now she’s back and everybody needs to deal with it. People can root for her or hate her, believe her or not. None of it matters. She’s allowed to compete, unless and until she fails another test, case closed.
Shelby served the ban. She's not gonna come back to the sport to be punished more. The punishment has been served. Now you guys are nitpicking her over something horrible that happened to her years ago.
She's past it and most humans would move past it. We will never know if she intentionally doped, was doped accidentally, or was intentionally doped by 3rd party. There's no way to ever know these things. Move on.
something horrible?
that happened to her?
something horrible happened to her?
Leave the virtue signaling at home lmao getting banned is a bad thing happening to you objectively speaking
It still doesn't and didn't help Houlihan get over a pretty low bar, which was that accidental contamination was more likely than not. She couldn't. Case over.
She couldn't because they notified her 30 days after the sample was collected. She didn't have the same bottles any more.
In the case of Jarrion Lawson they notified him 62 days later. The game is to screw the athletes by putting the burden of proof on them (guilty unless proven innocent) and using delay tactics.
Lawson won which is rare and likely only because the lab data obtained by subpoena showed that professor Ayotte had not been truthful. The same professor testified in Houlihan's case, and her lab tested the sample. Does that not raise any red flags for you?
Solid interview. Wish she had been asked whether she thought it was possible someone sabotaged her, and if so, who would that have been and how would that have happened? Or whether she suspects anyone in her camp to maybe have been taking and somehow they shared supplements or something that would implicate them. Or has anyone ever pressured her to dope. Whether she thought the breakup of BTC was partly because of her and what was her reaction when Gabriela DeBues-Stafford essentially left BTC in protest?
Being a banned doper and conspiracy nut, is better than just being a banned doper?
It's naive to say sabotage couldn't happen. What world do you live in? Happy land?
Of course she wasn’t sabotaged. There would be no motive, the logistics would be close to impossible, and it would truly be insane. You must live in bizarro land.
Yet Shelby is treated with a massive presumption of innocence by you and Regina is called a cheat.
Why are they different to you>
Agreed. LRC refers to Regina as “ Regina the drug cheat” and to Shelby as “Shelby the victim.”
they also gave her the questions to this interview way ahead of time
We have never referred to Shelby as "the victim". If you can't see the differences between Regina and Shelby you're not being honest. Or if you don't understand nuance there isn't help fo you.
Regina was busted at the height of the Balco scandal. I just see now she ran her lifetime PB at 1500 indoors at the age of 39. She then tested positive soon after for a designer steroid. She accepted her suspension and disappeared from the sport.
Shelby had a banned substance and was not able to prove how it got in her system so she served a 4 year drug ban. Meanwhile her coach and teammates nearly universally all rallied behind her and said they didn't think she was doping.
Of course I'm open to the possibility she was, but the cases aren't similar.