You can get up to 90 days in jail for reckless driving in Louisiana, but I've never heard that for anywhere for running a red.
RIP: LSU freshman pole vaulter Dillon Reidenauer killed in traffic accident
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tvssq wrote:
that was tough to watch wrote:
I hate to admit it but it looks like the motorcycle was not at fault. He had a green light and the car stopped once, then tried to dart across the intersection and was hit. That was a horrible video to watch but thankfully a car had a dash cam and clear up any details.
Tragic for all involved.
Both were breaking traffic laws, but the speeding is easily high enough to also be reckless driving, which is also a misdemeanor. Speed limit is 25 there, and it's been estimated the motorcycle was going 120 to 150 (based on conservation of momentum estimates of a motorcycle moving a 10x heavier car that much in the collision).
5x, 6x speed limit is not just fundamentally makes the circumstances different. Even going 50 in a 25 (25+25 over) would be reckless driving, much less 100 over. He wasn't on the German Autobahn with nothing to potentially hit. He was going through an intersection. There's a super high risk of something being in an intersection unexpectedly. It's a bad idea to speed up to make yellows. I'm on extra high alert going even the speed limit through a longish green light where I live in the winter because stopping distances are long on ice/snow, and I would slide through if it turned yellow/red quickly, so I slow down if I suspect it's going to turn yellow soon. And then there is the big factor that speed doesn't register well when looking at an incoming vehicle, especially at night, and especially a motorcycle where you don't have the spacing between two headlights getting visually farther apart as it gets closer. You would just see a small light REALLY far away one moment and the next moment it's at your location at 120mph. The blame should be higher on the motorcyclist.
They both dead, dork. Nobody getting charged in this.
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Jack Johnson is cooler than you. wrote:
tvssq wrote:
Both were breaking traffic laws, but the speeding is easily high enough to also be reckless driving, which is also a misdemeanor. Speed limit is 25 there, and it's been estimated the motorcycle was going 120 to 150 (based on conservation of momentum estimates of a motorcycle moving a 10x heavier car that much in the collision).
5x, 6x speed limit is not just fundamentally makes the circumstances different. Even going 50 in a 25 (25+25 over) would be reckless driving, much less 100 over. He wasn't on the German Autobahn with nothing to potentially hit. He was going through an intersection. There's a super high risk of something being in an intersection unexpectedly. It's a bad idea to speed up to make yellows. I'm on extra high alert going even the speed limit through a longish green light where I live in the winter because stopping distances are long on ice/snow, and I would slide through if it turned yellow/red quickly, so I slow down if I suspect it's going to turn yellow soon. And then there is the big factor that speed doesn't register well when looking at an incoming vehicle, especially at night, and especially a motorcycle where you don't have the spacing between two headlights getting visually farther apart as it gets closer. You would just see a small light REALLY far away one moment and the next moment it's at your location at 120mph. The blame should be higher on the motorcyclist.
They both dead, dork. Nobody getting charged in this.
Obviously. I was responding to the comment that she was at fault. Both were, but arguably/legally the dude was more.
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At least she was knocked unconscious immediately. she wouldn't have suffered, because she wouldn't have been aware of anything. It's the only silver lining in this tragedy.
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that was tough to watch wrote:
reallybroreally wrote:
found a video on reddit. Very tragic
I hate to admit it but it looks like the motorcycle was not at fault. He had a green light and the car stopped once, then tried to dart across the intersection and was hit. That was a horrible video to watch but thankfully a car had a dash cam and clear up any details.
Tragic for all involved.
When you're driving 120 mph, it is hard for other people on the road to judge your speed and react to you. Also when you're driving 120 mph, you make it incredibly likely that any accident will be fatal.
The idea that the biker isn't at fault for driving too fast for other drivers to be able to react to him doesn't make sense to me.
If you want to race, go to a track. The rest of us didn't sign up for the risk you're creating.
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The motorcyclist was probably suicidal
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accident? wrote:
When you're driving 120 mph, it is hard for other people on the road to judge your speed and react to you. Also when you're driving 120 mph, you make it incredibly likely that any accident will be fatal.
Where is all this "120 mph" stuff coming from? I have seen nothing about speed mentioned. Obviously, he was speeding since his motorcycle hit her car so hard it lifted it off the ground onto two wheels, but give a source for that kind of speed.
There will be a thorough investigation and law enforcement/coroner will determine speeds, toxicology, etc., but that has not happened yet to the best of my knowledge.
Both were at fault since he was clearly going over the 25-mph limit on that road and she saw him (she checked her brakes fairly hard right before pulling out) and made the poor decision that she could beat him across the road.
It was a senseless tragedy that could have been avoided if either of them had made better decisions that night.
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this article said
US wrote:
both drivers likely died or at least became unconscious immediately after the crash.11 -
she wouldn\'t have suffered at all wrote:
this article said
US wrote:
both drivers likely died or at least became unconscious immediately after the crash.how would anyone know how much they did or didn't suffer? ridiculous to put that in an article
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RIP Tiger wrote:
Where is all this "120 mph" stuff coming from? I have seen nothing about speed mentioned. Obviously, he was speeding since his motorcycle hit her car so hard it lifted it off the ground onto two wheels, but give a source for that kind of speed.
There are many ways to calculate or approximate the speed or know that it is hella fast, and I'm sure many engineer types have already done that. The easiest would be if the video shows more than two frames of the motorcycle before it hit the car. Then you know the time (from frame rate, easy to count) and can approximate distance and speed is distance/time. I'm not going to look closely at that video and will assume that there aren't two frames before the crash of the motorcycle because it's obscured by the car to the left in the video.
There are crash safety tests on YouTube. Here is a Honda Accord of the generation that she was probably driving:
The sled running into the accord in the test video is 3,300lbs and going at 31 mph. The momentum is mass*velocity, so 3300*31=1,023mph*lbm. There is conservation of momentum, so that partially transferred into test Accord and causes to move a certain distance/speed, and some of the momentum stays with the test sled after impact since it's still moving for a bit after the collision. Those superbikes that can go really fast look like they typically weigh about 450lbs. So the test sled weighs 7.3x more than the motorcycle. For a motorcycle to have as much momentum as a 3300lb test sled, it needs to be going 7.3 times faster. 7.3*31=226 mph. The fastest production motorcycles have a max speed of 170-193mph, so the one in the accident had less momentum than a 3,300 test sled going 31mph. But looking at the video of how much it lifted and moved the center of mass of girl's Honda, it was somewhere on that magnitude.
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yay marxism wrote:
Or make harder driving tests. Europe has it right with how you get a license there. Helps prevent situations like this from happening.
Yes, we have 60% who get their license on first chance. That is after months or years of training
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