Man, he was so much fun to watch race. So much power and a fluid stride. I hope he is doing well despite his bad luck.
I will say that in his latest instagram post he looks lean and fit. He has so much raw talent I wouldn’t be completely surprised to see him try to make a comeback if he could get his injuries figured out
i wonder if guys like Clayton should have went down in training style more than up with the 1500 and some 5k type training.
i mean, to stay healthy, and optimize speed and go for the 141 a bit back in the day..
an with the 8, some aerobic cross training and altitude tents - don't affect fast twitch decline, and other methods can be employed so as to minimize slow switch domination and adaptation,
some guys should NEVER look at the 1500, but the coaches just follow cookie cutter, false assumptions. this would be Andrew Wheating.
more guys should consider going DOWN not up. of course, you can look at this at age 20 or young, not after natural peak.
their training and careers may well have been more rewarding, some guys should not grind for long periods. no matter if they can man up and do it.
I think two factors came into play with Murphy never getting faster in the 800, than his PR in Rio.
First, getting injured at the 2017 US Champs when he attempted to double up. He had run 1:43.6 at Stanford, in April. I believe had he stuck to the 800 that season and not gotten hurt, he may have run 1:42 low or better.
Second, moving to NOP and having Alberto train him like a strength based 1500/mile type, doing workouts with Kejelcha, instead of a strength based 800 type (there is a difference). That system burned him out by the 2019 WC.
He looked great during the 2021 Olympic Trials final but he was nursing an injury and was very heavily tapered. Like what happened to Webb in Osaka, he could bounce back from that training interruption from that quick time. And he never produced anything of note afterwards.
Does anyone know if Brazier has officially retired? Posted on IG today for the first time since 2022 that he’s engaged. He’s only 27 but hasn’t raced since 2022 either. Brazier retiring without announcing anything would be par for the course for this sport.
This situation kinda reminds me of Rudisha, he never really officially announced that he retired until one day we all just kinda realized he did. Sad to see.
For the record, Jonathan Gault at USAs spoke to someone from Brazier's management team and they said he has not retired and hasn't given up the dream of a comeback.
For the record, Jonathan Gault at USAs spoke to someone from Brazier's management team and they said he has not retired and hasn't given up the dream of a comeback.
If so, I hope he makes a comeback. Talent like that does not go away.
For the record, Jonathan Gault at USAs spoke to someone from Brazier's management team and they said he has not retired and hasn't given up the dream of a comeback.
If so, I hope he makes a comeback. Talent like that does not go away.
This past week saw Brazier at the NAU track multiple times. Saw his workouts and strides, he looks incredibly strong and fluid and he's training comfortably with incredible athletes. Super excited for his comeback!
I ran 1:51, 4:06 mile and consistently split low 49’s. my 5k pb is 15:44
Aerobic ability just isn’t there relative to the other stuff.
i ran 2:32:50 in the marathon 10 years later, but could only run 55 mpw max before body broke down. Like, needed months to recover if workload was too high broke down
It’s funny I had nearly identical 800/mile but 47.x 400m.
I could manage 100mpw weeks in my mid-30s but no matter how hard I trained I could only run 17:00 for the 5K and 2:47 for the marathon after 5 years of distance running.
Nice! You got the gift of being able to run 47! I couldn't get my legs to turnover fast enough.
I feel you about being limited with the longer distances. To this day, I feel the 15:44 I ran was the most pain I ever endured as a runner, and for the longest time. It took everything out of me. I'm so proud of it because of what I felt were my limitations.
For me, the mile was like: first 800m feels easy, 5th 200m wasn't too bad but I know what's coming, the next 400 meters were excruciating but had to focus on the group, the final 200m was "Oh, I can probably outsprint most of these guys, let's give it a go i guess, it's almost over." Finish line - blinding searing bright pain, collapse like dathan ritzenhein
For the record, Jonathan Gault at USAs spoke to someone from Brazier's management team and they said he has not retired and hasn't given up the dream of a comeback.
Great that it takes a user of the forum to ask the question for you to feel the need to share that information.
I got a million downvotes because I (stupidly) wrote:
"That said, his body-type is pretty lean, I wonder if he ever thought about running the 5000m? Though it seems like more running would be hard for someone who can't stay healthy…"
I was not implying he should move up but I didn't make that clear; it is my fault of course for not writing more clearly.
I don't think that he would be a good fit in the 5000m because you have to run even more (and he can’t stay healthy as it is).
What I was wondering (not suggesting) was if he ever thought of moving up?
I mean, do you think as an athlete that it is easy to just give up and waste all that talent? I wonder if he ever thought of moving up or trying something different?
What was going through his mind as it dawned on him that he’ll never really be able to run the 800m again?
I think I would have tried anything (like switching events). What must it be like to have that much talent and not be able to do anything with it.
i wonder if guys like Clayton should have went down in training style more than up with the 1500 and some 5k type training.
i mean, to stay healthy, and optimize speed and go for the 141 a bit back in the day..
an with the 8, some aerobic cross training and altitude tents - don't affect fast twitch decline, and other methods can be employed so as to minimize slow switch domination and adaptation,
some guys should NEVER look at the 1500, but the coaches just follow cookie cutter, false assumptions. this would be Andrew Wheating.
more guys should consider going DOWN not up. of course, you can look at this at age 20 or young, not after natural peak.
their training and careers may well have been more rewarding, some guys should not grind for long periods. no matter if they can man up and do it.
I think two factors came into play with Murphy never getting faster in the 800, than his PR in Rio.
First, getting injured at the 2017 US Champs when he attempted to double up. He had run 1:43.6 at Stanford, in April. I believe had he stuck to the 800 that season and not gotten hurt, he may have run 1:42 low or better.
Second, moving to NOP and having Alberto train him like a strength based 1500/mile type, doing workouts with Kejelcha, instead of a strength based 800 type (there is a difference). That system burned him out by the 2019 WC.
He looked great during the 2021 Olympic Trials final but he was nursing an injury and was very heavily tapered. Like what happened to Webb in Osaka, he could bounce back from that training interruption from that quick time. And he never produced anything of note afterwards.
Wait when he went to NOP he was trained by Salazar? I thought everyone on the team except Rupp and Mo were trained by Julian. That is everyone has said the last few years
I think two factors came into play with Murphy never getting faster in the 800, than his PR in Rio.
First, getting injured at the 2017 US Champs when he attempted to double up. He had run 1:43.6 at Stanford, in April. I believe had he stuck to the 800 that season and not gotten hurt, he may have run 1:42 low or better.
Second, moving to NOP and having Alberto train him like a strength based 1500/mile type, doing workouts with Kejelcha, instead of a strength based 800 type (there is a difference). That system burned him out by the 2019 WC.
He looked great during the 2021 Olympic Trials final but he was nursing an injury and was very heavily tapered. Like what happened to Webb in Osaka, he could bounce back from that training interruption from that quick time. And he never produced anything of note afterwards.
Wait when he went to NOP he was trained by Salazar? I thought everyone on the team except Rupp and Mo were trained by Julian. That is everyone has said the last few years
Yeah that makes no sense, if he slowed down that much from mile to 5k then he would've died even harder in the marathon rather than running 2:47.
A 17 minute 5k is like the first half of a sub threshold run for a 4:06 guy.
17mins is right inline with a 2:47. His anaerobic capacity(the 800m and mile times) doesn’t really help much in the 5k. That is just like the Mara tho in mainly vo2max and threshold. Marathon just had that fueling/trashed legs issues..
but man it is hard to image a sub 4:10 guy who want run 15:30…..
I ran close to 4:10 and could just baaaarely break 16 for a 5k. 1:53 800 and 49 relay kind of guy.
