Sounds like decent triathlon training -- biking daily + running 3x/week is not nothing. Add in a top tier pro level cycling talent & this isn't too surprising. Super solid.
Ex-pro cyclist Tom Dumoulin runs Egmond half marathon in 1:08:45, on 3 days of running per week
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ButteredKnobs wrote:
CoelhoKNowsitall wrote:
this course is totally downhill.
LOL the course is a loop.
And it isn't short. I would know, because I ran it, and me and everyone around me had a GPS measuring of ±21,1 km.
The sand was just pretty solid, little tailwind there. There's practically no hills (welcome to the Netherlands) and very little dirt tracks. Total elevation of about 160 feet.
With Dumoulin you're talking about an elite athlete. It is what it is, he beat my PR too.
Can't really argue with someone that ran it but saw the breakdown of the splits on the results and it seemed pretty even where as a short course would show up
That combined with the winner credentials and the field size
Seems a proper legit run on a toughish course so he could probably go slightly faster on a perfect course.
Impressive stuff
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Well, you know what they say…
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valbylike wrote:
The average speed for the entire Tour de France was 26 mph.
A serious amateur cyclist will have trouble holding 20mph in a 1 day flat race. Try sometimes riding 20 mph and see how long you can hold it.
Note: I was a high school and college runner, and moved to triathlon age group/sub elite in Europe when I started my work life.
I love running. My only claim is cross training can be great in place of easy/recovery runs, and because it's non impact, cross training can be done quite hard and still be recovery from the pounding of running. Less pounding on your feet means less injuries.
Facepalm. Drafting exists. You can do Z1 in the peloton on a flat road at 26mph. The lowest level amateur races average over 20mph on flat courses.
I've seen files from flat pro sprint stages with intensity factors below 0.60. Outside of the first and last 30 min they're often soft pedaling in Z1 and complaining that they're bored out of their minds and their ass hurts. Obviously not every day is like that, but a decent amateur racer with good pack skills could 100% finish an easy sprint stage. Worst case they'd get dropped in the last 20-30km and roll in well within the time limit.
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How can you not mention drafting after talking about the average speed of a grand tour ? The speed comparison makes absolutely no sense.
On a grand tour, only the leaders race on every last climb of the difficult stages (let's say 40' on a third of the stages after 4h in zone 2) and not always maximum efforts. After the 3 weeks, most of them have to take a few months to reach another peak.30 -
bigmig19 wrote:
valbylike wrote:
You can go hard as he### on the bike, swim, elliptical, rowere, ARC on your easy, recovery day, because there is no pounding.
Swimmers hard day is 2 hours of vomit inducing intervals.
Easy day is 90 minutes of vomit inducing intervals. In base phase, even doubles both days.
Rest and recovery in running not for heart, but for your legs.
Another good one. What to TdF cyclists do on their off day? For many a 4hr bike ride.
You got me thinking for sure. Maybe this easy day stuff is for runners only? But why is it Seilers work indicates XC skiers and rowers also do 80/20 ish? I am not a swimmer nor Xc skier but i assume they indeed do actual recovery/ easy days, not vomit inducing.
Not an expert, but I've done a lot of XC skiing (skate skiing) and that is a full body workout. When you bonk, it is devastating. You can't even hold your head up and the saliva falls out of your mouth as you try to catch your breath. Arms burn, legs burn, chest burns. Best workout that exists.
It's exhausting and I'm guessing 2 hours of XC skiing burns more calories than 2 hours of cycling. Plus, most professional XC skiers are bigger and more powerful than runners and cyclists. Don't underestimate how hard and powerfully they push off with each step on the skis. Bigger calorie needs, bigger recovery needs. Rowing seems similar.
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valbylike wrote:
Most cyclists suck at running. Legs like tree trunks and no desire to run.
Not true. Even Tour de France Sprint Specialists are skinny by normal standards. Only exception would be track cyclists that specialize on races under 1min.
One of the greatest TdF sprinters of all time.
Either way, sure you can run a Half in under 1h10m if you have a massive cardiovascular engine and run three times a week:
1. Long Run 90min+
2. Tempo Run 40min
3. VO2max intervals
Mix in 4 long rides 5+ hours.
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