You sound like you also place no limits on their future preferences for any possible sex transformation?????? Look, there are limits and they must be respected. The limit for women is 2:13:00. For men it's 2:02:00.
#4 is mass ignorance and completely invalidates everything else. I totally forgot what the prior 3 were after seeing #4.
There are countless ways that #4 could be manipulated by outsiders to produce a desired result, or be doping positives among a group totally irrelevant to the elites from that country.
Anyone who even suggests that type of remedy certifies as a moron. When the 23 Chines swimmers tested positive it should have impacted their eligibility and nobody else.
1 is awesome. 1 would mean Sang banned, Schumacher banned, Rosa banned, Reider banned... That would wake up quite a few naive fans.
2 - 3: more transparency, great!
4 - I dunno. That may backfire, providing yet another incentive for NADOs to cover up positive tests / not test its suspicious athletes / give warning calls to its suspicious athletes.
Signed.
Really thank you sir for your support of us!!!!!!! I really really want Patrick Sang, Faith Kip and Eliud Kip gone from our sport!!!!!! Only Agnes Ngetich and Beatrice Chebet may stay as their space-time details make complete sense!!!!!
Faith's doesn't!!!!!!! She was running mile and 1500m WRs like a jackpotted slot machine immediately after injury!!!!!!!! I'm greatly disturbed by that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even my beloved love El King Guerrouj does not return from illness or injury with such pyrotechnics you feeling me right!!!!!!!!
Beatrice Chebet is clean though!!!!!!! Love this woman!!!!!!
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Four demands : (1) the disclosure and suspension and coaches and agents linked to athletes who test positive for doping, (2) enhanced testing, particularly in East Africa, (3) reporting back on the enhanced testing on a half yearly basis and (4) to immediately suspend all athletes from competition for the balance of a calendar year from any country that has more than 10 of its athletes test positive during the calendar year.
Number 1 needs to be a recurring situation. I can definitely see an instance in which an athlete cheats on their own without assistance from the coach or agent, but if this happens repeatedly, it would make it much more likely that the coach or agent is involved.
I'm not in favour of number 4 at all. Collective punishment just creates more injustice. Not to mention that some countries are far bigger and more decentralized than others. Therefore, it isn't outside the realms of possibilty that a single training group - in one small pocket of a country - may get popped one day, and then everyone else (who has nothing to do with them) are penalised simply by existing inside the same arbitrary border.
I agree except if it's life-threatening, there ain't no need to punish all at once!!!!!
But therein lies the problem sir!!!!! The infection spreads like wildfire you feeling me?????
It's like AIDS virus or COVID, that small pocket wants to multiply and reproduce fast because it ultimately wants 'sexual dominion' of its own species, the immoral and perverse doping species you feelin me right????
So that's why Coevett and Canada is correct rather in collective punishment AS THE LESSER OF 2 EVILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Coevett and Canada are both subjectively right about space and time you feeling me!!!!!!!!!
You need to understand human resonance nature!!!!!!!!!!! The athletes in question are mere human mortals not Christian RF Physicists who have abnormal ability to self-control innate primal desires LIKE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!
Modern athletes are generally animalistic in nature rather like spiritualistic like me!!!!! They respond very fast to animal cues and hints rather than the voice of reason and the rebuke of God!!!!!
Cheers!!!
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This has been in the works for a few weeks now. I was an early signer. It's getting a fair few signatures from big names of earlier years. I know one of the things the authors want is a response from World Athletics. Does anyone want to bet on whether they'll get one or not?
At 351 signatures as of now - no way. If it grows to 3510 today, still no. At 35100, probably not, but possible. This needs to be over 100x more popular for WA to think about caring.
Point 4 seems iffy as nations like Kenya, India, and the US routinely have more than 10 athletes test positive.
We have to man to ban USA!!!!! You folks know how much I abhor American middle distance and I cannot with due conscience then say American long distance could ever be clean as well!!!!!!!!!!
Folks please!!!!! America is always in the conversation when it comes to the who's who list of top doping contenders!!!!!!!!!! And America more so that GB or UK who are comparatively much more ethical and refined in their morals!!!!!!!! Just think about Josh Kerr the male model exemplar!!!!! He touches me from head to toe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If Kenya is banned, I say America goes too, but Canada can stay!!!!!!!
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Four demands : (1) the disclosure and suspension and coaches and agents linked to athletes who test positive for doping, (2) enhanced testing, particularly in East Africa, (3) reporting back on the enhanced testing on a half yearly basis and (4) to immediately suspend all athletes from competition for the balance of a calendar year from any country that has more than 10 of its athletes test positive during the calendar year.
I’ve said this before: escrow prize money. How long and what the trigger would be TBD. Would prevent situations like the Rita Jeptoo - Boston & Chicago marathon debacles.
Four demands : (1) the disclosure and suspension and coaches and agents linked to athletes who test positive for doping, (2) enhanced testing, particularly in East Africa, (3) reporting back on the enhanced testing on a half yearly basis and (4) to immediately suspend all athletes from competition for the balance of a calendar year from any country that has more than 10 of its athletes test positive during the calendar year.
plus don't announce a bust until B sample confirms, meanwhile the athlete silently sits agreeing.
add in south africa and botswana as well.
maximize punishment major abuse
minimize punishment minor abuse
minor abuse would be the minor consumption of a banned substance where there is NO POSSIBILITY or scenario that drug could enhance performance.
for example a boxer tested clean 3 weeks out, then was popped on the weigh in, for pico grams of a substance that is a very week PED, something like 100x less than testosterone. where the total anabolic effect in this case must be near zero, based on the test.
LOOL!!!!!!!!! You are out of your mind sir!!!!!!!!!!!!
Study some real RF physics alright!!!!!!!
In electromagnetic world, the smaller the electrical charge the greater the magnetization aka the greater the space-time effects!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's called SPIN!!!! Hence or otherwise the smaller the dose of steroid the more positive punch it packs not now but in space and time!!!!!!!!!!! You extend and elongate SPIN of space and time with small nano doses!!!! Now you see why I'm so good at reason and persuasion????
I say we increase punishment sentences for smaller the dosage and reduce punishment for larger the dose!!!!!!!!
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Four demands : (1) the disclosure and suspension and coaches and agents linked to athletes who test positive for doping, (2) enhanced testing, particularly in East Africa, (3) reporting back on the enhanced testing on a half yearly basis and (4) to immediately suspend all athletes from competition for the balance of a calendar year from any country that has more than 10 of its athletes test positive during the calendar year.
I’ve said this before: escrow prize money. How long and what the trigger would be TBD. Would prevent situations like the Rita Jeptoo - Boston & Chicago marathon debacles.
No won't work, you must take all the recommendations of Coevett and Canada!!!!!! They have the moral and ethical conditions for good judgement in space and time!!!!
Seems very dangerous. I’m British. If he’s concerned let’s start by publicly disclosing any British cover ups in the past 50 years. also how one of our sprinters passed all those test only to fail one at a major games.
also exceeds female potential performance. So did the 4 minute mile. Are we banning anyone who’s run sub 4 as well.
you no what’s almost never mentioned. That the first woman to run sub 2.10 improved the world record less than the first man to run sub 2.10.
Ya its a total mess. everybody know, except a small vocal fraction on letsrun.
Brit sprinters are on the juice, like Jamaica, Canada were, and everyone else.
And the Africans are on the juice big time in the middle to long distances,
The richer countries are into grey area PEDs and micro dosing and new legal PEDS.
A natural 4:00 1500 chick can break 350...
and that's what we have, and always have had in women's world records, that is since women gave enough of a damn to cheat.
thats what the documentation says, thats what the coaches say, thats what the athletes say, thats what the testing says.
I care a lot about GB sport and right now GB is clean as a whistle!!!!!! America is not!!!!!
A good rule of thumb for judging who is clean is correlated to the level and degree of political, economic and social turmoil in the land!!!!!!!
The greater the turmoil the greater the deception and deceitfulness!!!!!!!!
America just had multiple new year's day mass crime and attacks everywhere while GB is so far much safer!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hence America would be correlated as the much more deceitful one for doping than GB!!!!!!!!
You see how well I reason and persuade here????
I trust my boy Kerr but I don't trust Hocker!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This protest goes a bit far. Anyone who knows a little about the sport, is that agents run it. There is an incentive to run fast at all costs. If there was strict liability introduced for agents and even coaches, there would be an incentive for the agent + coach and therefore federations to invest in anti doping measures and to educate runners. 3 athletes on your roster banned, you can no longer manage.
They could have harsher penalties for doping that strip of money and titles going back for 2 years or longer. Katir keeping his medals is a joke.
They need to have pathways for people to dob people in who are doping. In a way that can be safe and under whistleblower protections.
The incentive of coverups for a 10 test limit is too high.
"The ratification on 11 December 2024 of Ruth Chepngetich’s 2:09:56 marathon performance in Chicago on 13 October 2024, which has been greeted with profound scepticism by leading athletics experts because it exceeds the limits of female human potential (...)"
Mr. Eriksson should show all those scientific studies that prove that a woman can't run sub 2:10 . I mean, he must base his ideas on scientific evidence, right?
It seems like a lot of the highest profile doping busts have come as a result of insider information (think BALCOnanf RUSADA). It seems like insider tips are often more valuable than the testing. With that in mind, what about this idea … anyone who provides insider evidence of a doper (that directly leads to a ban) gets a percentage of recovered prize monies.
A ban on Kenya is necessary to force the country to crack down seriously on doping, as unfortunate as it would be to have fields depleted of Kenyans until they resolved the problem.
Four demands : (1) the disclosure and suspension and coaches and agents linked to athletes who test positive for doping, (2) enhanced testing, particularly in East Africa, (3) reporting back on the enhanced testing on a half yearly basis and (4) to immediately suspend all athletes from competition for the balance of a calendar year from any country that has more than 10 of its athletes test positive during the calendar year.
I can't sign based on the premise that Ruth's 2:09:52 exceeds FEMALE limitations. I have three daughters and I place no such limitation on them in athletics in any discipline.
you have 3 daughters that are going to run under 2.10? wild!
Interesting that this man is certain he knows the limits of human performance with absolutely no doubt at all. It’s a bit like ‘if man was meant to fly…’
Interesting that this man is certain he knows the limits of human performance with absolutely no doubt at all. It’s a bit like ‘if man was meant to fly…’
Where do you get the idea he's certain he knows the limits of human performance? I certainly don't but I know at some point everyone would find a particular performance questionable and even more so if it comes from an athlete from a country which has had large numbers of athletes caught doping and where there's little to know outside of competition testing.
You don't find 2:09:56 by a woman questionable? That's fine. But what if it was 1:59:56 or 1:49:56? Maybe you'd never find any of these times questionable if there's no failed test, no where about failures, no name on a BALCO-like list. But a considerable number of people who follow the sport do find 2:09:56 from a woman very questionable and think WA should at least have acknowledged some of these questions when they ratified the record and maybe talk a bit about why people find this record so questionable and also maybe try to take some real steps toward restoring credibility to the sport.
I can't sign based on the premise that Ruth's 2:09:52 exceeds FEMALE limitations. I have three daughters and I place no such limitation on them in athletics in any discipline.
you have 3 daughters that are going to run under 2.10? wild!
No, I have daughters than can run what men their level run at.. for example, if I ran 1:57 for 800m and ran 2:13 for the marathon, I would expect my daughter to be able to do the same. I am sure we can prove a 1:57 800m runner can run 2:13 in the marathon or faster. There are no "limits"... I know guys from the 1980's who couldn't run under 29:50 for 10,000m who ran 2:12 in the marathon.
I can't sign based on the premise that Ruth's 2:09:52 exceeds FEMALE limitations. I have three daughters and I place no such limitation on them in athletics in any discipline.
you have 3 daughters that are going to run under 2.10? wild!
you have 3 daughters that are going to run under 2.10? wild!
No, I have daughters than can run what men their level run at.. for example, if I ran 1:57 for 800m and ran 2:13 for the marathon, I would expect my daughter to be able to do the same. I am sure we can prove a 1:57 800m runner can run 2:13 in the marathon or faster. There are no "limits"... I know guys from the 1980's who couldn't run under 29:50 for 10,000m who ran 2:12 in the marathon.
WRONG SIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EVEN MOUNT EVEREST HAS A LIMIT OF 8800M!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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