Grant Fisher 18 miles @ 5:22/mile 142bpm

That is 45 seconds per mile slower than the marathon record. Is it really that impressive of a workout?

Right? Now that we have such massive windows into people's training data, this feels less crazy than it would have when, for example, Ryan Hall was running marathons. A run at this pace would even be doable among many top college athletes (although slightly harder for them than for Grant) – for example, Yaseen Abdalla did a long run at about that pace when at TN and then faster in the lead up to his 2:11 Olympic marathon, and OK State runners did a medium long run casually in the 5:30s/mi. For an average runner like me, seeing what is possible from athletes like this is both intimidating and inspiring.

I can recognize Khamis when I see him

New account?

That's good but not great for someone of his caliber. Most likely he is doing that at 8000ft which does make it impressive but not ridiculous for him

Of course it is at altitude. He lives in Park City and you can see the mountains

"now look at him" at jerry btc? coach who lied about not knowing nandrolone? coach of Shelby a doper? coach who went up against Salazar and ultimately learnt his dirty ways?

fisher has always been dirty in the eyes of Australia, New Zealand, uk and all of eu..

fout was a real kick ass talent. trained listen to this 30 MILES PER WEEEEEK!!!! And yet took the scalps of 2 generational talents at 2007 footlockers. fisher is very weak compared to all these guys from 07 class. the only other class able to rival 07 was the 01 class consisting of Webb, hall and ritz. fisher can go kiss my ass babe...once dirty always dirty with btc.

viren was a blood doper, a doper all the same like fisher and Shelby and all of btc. not sure if viren was caught but it seems his 4 olympic titles remain intact. Haile, bekele, all Ethiopia are the true kings of long distance and middle running, hallelujah..

Americans can't run or race for real. they are good for wall street and selling pills at Pfizer and Moderna, but they can't run seriously without ped.

majority of the guys on LRC have strong American bias. all the downvotes are from the American continent. nobody from eu, oceania or Asia pacific would ever bother to conscientiously tap the downvote button. when somebody says something bad about American athletes most notably precious darling boys like fisher you have a dozen strong team of American patriots defending him come what may.

what I find strange is how in defending fisher they also seem to cast shade at one of their own Americans like derrick and Fernandez by calling them uncommitted and lacking in discipline or talent

fisher had honestly nobody to content with at footlockers in both his junior and senior years. hunter was not really up for it, he isn't like a Fernandez, Fout, or derrick level type of talent. hunter does not have it. his biomechanics tells my eyes everything. just no.

when verbizcas had nobody to content with at footlockers he dominated in 14:52 and brought a smile to my face. this guy showed true talent and spirit by going sub 15 which befits real American distance talents. fisher hasn't gone sub 15 because he didn't have the legs or lungs, no talent whatsoever. how did he go on to place top 6 and now top 3 is quite the stuff of dubious.

look at this years 2024 footlockers 15:23 and 17:31 ON SUPEER SHOES!!!! fisher was already running 15:23 without super shoes so you can tell how much decline American children's health has been in the 8-10 years since fisher.

kids at this year's footlocker ought to be ashamed of themselves for being so poor. its nothing personal and I don't mean any offence but Khamis if you remembered mentioned that American children health has dropped exponentially due to artificial EMFs.

are you American? learn to accept a different point of view. somebody like the KING OF PHYSICS from CERN care to comment on the state of American distance sport is a gift and blessing to Americans. I don't know another CERN fellow who cares about running as much as king of physics does. it's rare to have a physics guy interested in high performance distance sport. fisher is doped is doped, period.

they grew up differently, away from polluted American cities, that's what it really is bro. otherwise why should there be a difference between div 3 and div 1 talent levels? div 3 just ate hamburgers daily and slurp 7up and coke breakfast lunch and dinner on top of living close by a mobile phone tower. the last one is something I recently learnt about this year thanks to Khamis.

but fout was on a diet of 30 mile per week running when he ran, listen to this, 14:50 for footlockers in 07? how did this guy become so elite running like a beggar in high school?

ritz on the other hand ran already 90 miles per week in high school but didn't run spectacularly fast or performed a super impressive stat like a Fernandez, verbizcas, fout etc?

fisher is a nothing proposition, as if his genes were so bad.

the king of physics rather needs your help to help yourself stay open minded about the truth. fisher recovered from injury last year like a genie from heaven, but Chris Derrick was forever injured. that speaks to a lack of an pharmaceutical enhancement program for derrick which he probably declined which explained why he being at least 100 times more talented than fisher not only lost his shine for the future but also what he had achieved and reputability.

why would a fellow of hallowed CERN be preoccupied with mundane unprospectable mod jobs on LRC? can't he just be sincere about ridding the sport of fisher due to dubious fisher circumstances?

I highly doubt it's Khamis. Khamis always has caps on 24/7. And he speaks melodramatically like a form of broadway theater. not so for the fellow of CERN that is king of physics.

The downvotes are solely because the calculator I found with a google search happened to be on runningworld, rather than any other random site, not because it is unreasonable or inaccurate. And yes, you are probably right. His use of the running world calculator would explain how he has gotten so good without an in person coach.

How am I supposed to see the mountains in his post when I don't do instagram?

5:22 at sea level might be easy pace for a guy who has averaged 4:06.5 for 5000m. It is 30% slower. However, if we take a 125-30 hr to be easy pace, at 142, he's going a bit quicker than his easy pace. At Park City altitude (7000 ft), 5:22 for Grant Fisher is closer but still a good deal slower than marathon pace effort (4:40s at sea level) for him, depending upon what you accept as a conversion. The NCAA gives 97 seconds for a 10k at 6981 ft (Air Force Academy), which is about 15 seconds a mile.

My actual max heart rate (taken in training between intervals on the track) was 208. I was at best an above average distance runner, nothing special. Hard to believe an elite would max out at 176 or so. My resting was 34.