I don't think he has to drop out of Harvard to go pro.
Yeah, he can just finish his degree like normal. No reason you can't be a pro athlete and a Harvard student at the same time for a few months, Gabby Thomas did it and plenty of other students do it in different sports.
Only question is how much he wants to run NCAA track vs "sell high" on a pro contract after stringing together an insane series of performances. Especially given his injury last winter I'd be signing now if I'm him (but I'm just over a full minute slower over 5k so I'll leave the running and the signing up to him)
Yeah, but there's one incentive. Wouldn't he want to break a college record on the way out the door. He's only 2 seconds off
Yeah, he can just finish his degree like normal. No reason you can't be a pro athlete and a Harvard student at the same time for a few months, Gabby Thomas did it and plenty of other students do it in different sports.
Only question is how much he wants to run NCAA track vs "sell high" on a pro contract after stringing together an insane series of performances. Especially given his injury last winter I'd be signing now if I'm him (but I'm just over a full minute slower over 5k so I'll leave the running and the signing up to him)
Yeah, but there's one incentive. Wouldn't he want to break a college record on the way out the door. He's only 2 seconds off
The goals for 2025 are now worlds. His training going forward will reflect this. It was a hell of a collegiate career
Tuntivate has improved greatly at 5k and 10k under Jerry but his PRs are almost 3 years old now and, whether injuries or overtraining, he seems to have leveled off around 13:15. My understanding of BTC is that Jerry kinda combines Gibby's maintenance pace (run as hard as feels comfortable for 70 min) with superhero workouts, whereas Harvard dials back most workouts (besides the late-season sharpening sessions) as a trade-off for the steady aerobic stimulus they get every day
I have no idea whether Graham would do better with more polarized training but it does seem like Gibby's system is a great fit for him, both physiologically and philosophically. If it ain't broke...
If I'm a New Balance exec though, I'm giving him the bag to build out the men's side of Coogan's club and then throwing money at guys like Wolfe, Abdalla, Liam Murphy, Dylan Schubert, Bob Liking etc. to start a whole cohort at once like OAC did several years ago
Tuntivate has improved greatly at 5k and 10k under Jerry but his PRs are almost 3 years old now and, whether injuries or overtraining, he seems to have leveled off around 13:15. My understanding of BTC is that Jerry kinda combines Gibby's maintenance pace (run as hard as feels comfortable for 70 min) with superhero workouts, whereas Harvard dials back most workouts (besides the late-season sharpening sessions) as a trade-off for the steady aerobic stimulus they get every day
I have no idea whether Graham would do better with more polarized training but it does seem like Gibby's system is a great fit for him, both physiologically and philosophically. If it ain't broke...
If I'm a New Balance exec though, I'm giving him the bag to build out the men's side of Coogan's club and then throwing money at guys like Wolfe, Abdalla, Liam Murphy, Dylan Schubert, Bob Liking etc. to start a whole cohort at once like OAC did several years ago
Graham and Gibby are a good fit. Why mess with a great thing and Gibby coached him at the highest level Olympics. New Balance is going to have Valby and Blanks under contract.
Tuntivate has improved greatly at 5k and 10k under Jerry but his PRs are almost 3 years old now and, whether injuries or overtraining, he seems to have leveled off around 13:15. My understanding of BTC is that Jerry kinda combines Gibby's maintenance pace (run as hard as feels comfortable for 70 min) with superhero workouts, whereas Harvard dials back most workouts (besides the late-season sharpening sessions) as a trade-off for the steady aerobic stimulus they get every day
I have no idea whether Graham would do better with more polarized training but it does seem like Gibby's system is a great fit for him, both physiologically and philosophically. If it ain't broke...
If I'm a New Balance exec though, I'm giving him the bag to build out the men's side of Coogan's club and then throwing money at guys like Wolfe, Abdalla, Liam Murphy, Dylan Schubert, Bob Liking etc. to start a whole cohort at once like OAC did several years ago
Easier said than done. I think Strand/Wolfe are firmly in Nikes sights. Blanks makes sense for New Balance and the Coogan crew. Ideally he’d link up with someone to train with in Boston but in Flagstaff the women at least trained with DarkSky which have plenty of guys for him to train with.
so hard when you're out there alone. last year when Nico Young broke the record he had Adrian Wildschutt right in front of him for the last 3 laps.
if Graham had a pro with him he may have gotten the record.
Devils advocate: Grant Fisher ran 12:51 running solo from even further out last year. I think the lapped runners cost him a bit and maybe having some more comp helps a smidge but he was pretty close to his max today. 12:59 is nothing to scoff at though.
Spot on the way Graham closed in only 29-30s tells me he had maxed out at 12:59 and wasn’t going any faster. It’s not like he kicked a 26 like Parker wolfe who might have gone 7:27 with more even pacing.
Jakob would blow his back doors off without going above zone 3.
I put my money on Graham. This is Rojo’s favorite son and for good reason. For one he is smarter than Grant fisher being from Harvard. Next he is innocent as an angel on top of being snow white skinned! That means no drugs.
And very logical and consistent space-time unlike Fisher.
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Tuntivate has improved greatly at 5k and 10k under Jerry but his PRs are almost 3 years old now and, whether injuries or overtraining, he seems to have leveled off around 13:15. My understanding of BTC is that Jerry kinda combines Gibby's maintenance pace (run as hard as feels comfortable for 70 min) with superhero workouts, whereas Harvard dials back most workouts (besides the late-season sharpening sessions) as a trade-off for the steady aerobic stimulus they get every day
I have no idea whether Graham would do better with more polarized training but it does seem like Gibby's system is a great fit for him, both physiologically and philosophically. If it ain't broke...
If I'm a New Balance exec though, I'm giving him the bag to build out the men's side of Coogan's club and then throwing money at guys like Wolfe, Abdalla, Liam Murphy, Dylan Schubert, Bob Liking etc. to start a whole cohort at once like OAC did several years ago
Easier said than done. I think Strand/Wolfe are firmly in Nikes sights. Blanks makes sense for New Balance and the Coogan crew. Ideally he’d link up with someone to train with in Boston but in Flagstaff the women at least trained with DarkSky which have plenty of guys for him to train with.
Not dirty Flag pls! No way Rojo let’s Graham go to Flag to be poached and corrupted by shady individuals.
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Tuntivate has improved greatly at 5k and 10k under Jerry but his PRs are almost 3 years old now and, whether injuries or overtraining, he seems to have leveled off around 13:15. My understanding of BTC is that Jerry kinda combines Gibby's maintenance pace (run as hard as feels comfortable for 70 min) with superhero workouts, whereas Harvard dials back most workouts (besides the late-season sharpening sessions) as a trade-off for the steady aerobic stimulus they get every day
I have no idea whether Graham would do better with more polarized training but it does seem like Gibby's system is a great fit for him, both physiologically and philosophically. If it ain't broke...
If I'm a New Balance exec though, I'm giving him the bag to build out the men's side of Coogan's club and then throwing money at guys like Wolfe, Abdalla, Liam Murphy, Dylan Schubert, Bob Liking etc. to start a whole cohort at once like OAC did several years ago
Easier said than done. I think Strand/Wolfe are firmly in Nikes sights. Blanks makes sense for New Balance and the Coogan crew. Ideally he’d link up with someone to train with in Boston but in Flagstaff the women at least trained with DarkSky which have plenty of guys for him to train with.
Yes, I do think NB would be a great fit as Coogan could work closely with Gibby to make sure Graham adapts. The only question is really if there are any other top calibre runners who would join Graham as regular training partners.
Ideal world for Graham in my books would be to base his training out of Boston with Coogan/Gibby/NB and do everything he can to do some training camps with Fisher. Learning from a guy who just ran the path (elite academics + NCAA stud -> global medal) would be invaluable for a younger pro like Graham.
I put my money on Graham. This is Rojo’s favorite son and for good reason. For one he is smarter than Grant fisher being from Harvard. Next he is innocent as an angel on top of being snow white skinned! That means no drugs.
And very logical and consistent space-time unlike Fisher.
You clearly don't know Kieran or elite running very well and that's okay but don't use your ignorance as an excuse to accuse someone of cheating without any evidence.
Kieran was more of a miler/3k guy in college than a 5k/10k guy. He ran 3:57/7:49 as a college student pre-covid in feb 2020. He only ran 13:57/28:45 in college but never got a fair shot as a senior bc of covid.
Then he went pro and got a lot better at those distances, but that doesn't mean that he magically becomes unable to run shorter distances again. All the bowerman guys are 1500/5k/10k guys (Fisher best example during that era). It seems like this past season Tuntivate thought he had a better shot of qualifying to Olympics through the 1500 (probs didn't have a very strong aerobic base for whatever reason to run the std) so he leaned back into his miler roots and ran 3:36/3:54.
It's not a suspicious progression at all and makes you look very ignorant for accusing him.
Tuntivate has improved greatly at 5k and 10k under Jerry but his PRs are almost 3 years old now and, whether injuries or overtraining, he seems to have leveled off around 13:15. My understanding of BTC is that Jerry kinda combines Gibby's maintenance pace (run as hard as feels comfortable for 70 min) with superhero workouts, whereas Harvard dials back most workouts (besides the late-season sharpening sessions) as a trade-off for the steady aerobic stimulus they get every day
I have no idea whether Graham would do better with more polarized training but it does seem like Gibby's system is a great fit for him, both physiologically and philosophically. If it ain't broke...
If I'm a New Balance exec though, I'm giving him the bag to build out the men's side of Coogan's club and then throwing money at guys like Wolfe, Abdalla, Liam Murphy, Dylan Schubert, Bob Liking etc. to start a whole cohort at once like OAC did several years ago
Easier said than done. I think Strand/Wolfe are firmly in Nikes sights. Blanks makes sense for New Balance and the Coogan crew. Ideally he’d link up with someone to train with in Boston but in Flagstaff the women at least trained with DarkSky which have plenty of guys for him to train with.
Strand and Wolfe to Mike Smith’s Nike pro group next year is basically a done deal. Milt and Smith are close friends. Milt is just getting them ready to transition to being pros under Smith in Flag.
I find it hard to believe he'd give up a Harvard degree when all he needs is one more semester... Unless he's already got all his credits?
I don't think he has to drop out of Harvard to go pro.
He has said in interviews he will graduate next semester and will decide by Jan 1 whether he is going pro while still in school. He turned in thesis draft yesterday (before race) and talked yesterday about finishing it in spring.
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He's better than Rupp was in college and Rupp went on to win two Olympic medals.
NCAA cross is elite. as is track.
Rupp kept the progression going and honed his speed while improving aerobic. under the Al Sal soft PED program and honest intelligent work,
this guy can do the same. there are plenty of effective nutraceuticals and hacks that work as well or better than Al Sal kit.
Soft PED? Sin is sin dude. A white lie is a damn lie! Rupp was on a very disciplined PED microdosing regime the way probably Mo Katir was.
You don’t need nutraceuticals. You only need to remove man made elektramagnetica fields and pharmaceutical drugs to create a great East African type runner
Easier said than done. I think Strand/Wolfe are firmly in Nikes sights. Blanks makes sense for New Balance and the Coogan crew. Ideally he’d link up with someone to train with in Boston but in Flagstaff the women at least trained with DarkSky which have plenty of guys for him to train with.
Strand and Wolfe to Mike Smith’s Nike pro group next year is basically a done deal. Milt and Smith are close friends. Milt is just getting them ready to transition to being pros under Smith in Flag.
Except Flag is a very shady place in general. The residences of some of Americas all time doping kings male and female are in the vicinity of NAU. I don’t like that. You could bump into them at the grocery or the Buffalo Park.
why can’t Mike smith bring his team to New Mexico instead? It’s just nearby.