It's wild that you don't have spellcheck at your Ivy.
Only pseudo intellectuals think “spelling” properly is associated with increase intelligence. The most intelligent change language and create new words. you’re just a “copy paste” thinker. lol what a troll of thought
LOL. Intelligent people may not be able to spell, but they can use tools, so...
I don't get this idea that D2 schools are bad academically. I went to a D2 school to start and played golf. I slacked off don't get me wrong but it was alot of work and wasn't that easy. Had a 2.9 gpa. Then transferred to a Big Ten school and had a 3.7 gpa and was on Deans List
Don’t know about hate, I just don’t know anyone who thinks about d2. Checked a map and Nevada, Arizona, Utah, Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming have a combined 3 d2 programs. The font was small on the Google image preview and though I could tell schools were listed there, I have no idea what schools they might be.
So there isn’t hate, just nobody I know even thinks about “d2” as an afterthought. It’s D1, then juco, then generically “somewhere else.”
D2 is the smallest of the three divisions so there can be scheduling issues. In the northeast you have D2 conferences made up of schools whose campuses are within a bus ride of each other. I ran in the Pa. Conference and were never more than a five hour bus ride from any other conference school's campus and usually not that long. The same holds true here in New England for the Northeast Conference, think that's what it's called.
But when you get to the part of the country you mention things are really spread out and D2 schools are few and far between. Northern Colorado moved from 2 to 1 not that long ago. The campus is near I-25 and I think there are more D1 schools located near I-25 than there are D2. Cal Davis was in D2 for a long time but finally moved to D1 because they were having trouble scheduling football games against D2 schools.
I was a forgettable back of the packer in PSAC in the early 80's. As noted, D2 was a much bigger division in the 70s and early 80s. Top programs then that are now D1 include the Dakota schools, UC Irvine, Cal Poly SLO and Pomona, Easter Michigan and many of the "directional" Illinois schools. NAIA schools filled some of these losses but they tend to be more geographically clustered so there are gaps in D2 throughout the country.
Look if you can get into one of the top academic D1 or D3 schools then by all means do it even at the price. But only about 10% of the population can. And a good portion of the 90% of the rest, including those of us who went to D2 schools, have done pretty damned well for ourselves. And once you strip away the 100 or so top rated schools there's very little difference especially for he student who applies themselves.A
I'm in my 60's and my D2 acquaintances include:
Successful business owners (several having a lucrative sale to PE firms recently)
Corporate VPs including Fortune 500 companies
Partners in large accounting firms (2 of whom started at "Big 8" firms)
Attorney
Vice Admiral Navy
Artists
PR executives
Countless salespeople - And don't scoff at sales. I can assure you that the highest paid employees in most firms are often the successful salespeople.
Most of us earned well into 6 figures and some over 7 and are financially independent by late 50s early 60s. Own nice big homes and often a beach, FL or mountain home and sent our kids to college without them bearing the cost. My daughter also attended a D2 school for communications and was in a top 5 market in just a few years with graduates of more prestigious schools answering to her. And her classmates went on to success as well including grad/law/medical school acceptance to some those top 100 schools everyone cites.
Over the years I've hired employees from no name to brand name and I can tell you that the brand named ones are not nearly the most reliable.
bentley is an emerging school with a decent profile, which could be added to mines, but name recognition on the new school is low outside of academia, like olin and some of the new california schools. and while the profile is "good," it's not "great." about half accepted, 1300 type SAT. it currently classes as regional and if you compared it nationally it ends up like top 50-100 type finish. however, since the grads do well moneywise, like babson, solid choice if you're absolutely sure you want business.
which is not bad, but the deal is d1 or d3 have several with near perfect SAT where people don't blink when you give the school name, and the best of d2 are shuffling in around top 25, 50, 100 or so if they were ranked with the d1s and d3s.
which speaks to a thought of mine. i respect particular d2 school choices. oh, good school, as good as many d1 at running. i think outside of those choices it's more of a scholarship vs. not discussion.
D2 is the smallest of the three divisions so there can be scheduling issues. In the northeast you have D2 conferences made up of schools whose campuses are within a bus ride of each other. I ran in the Pa. Conference and were never more than a five hour bus ride from any other conference school's campus and usually not that long. The same holds true here in New England for the Northeast Conference, think that's what it's called.
But when you get to the part of the country you mention things are really spread out and D2 schools are few and far between. Northern Colorado moved from 2 to 1 not that long ago. The campus is near I-25 and I think there are more D1 schools located near I-25 than there are D2. Cal Davis was in D2 for a long time but finally moved to D1 because they were having trouble scheduling football games against D2 schools.
I was a forgettable back of the packer in PSAC in the early 80's. As noted, D2 was a much bigger division in the 70s and early 80s. Top programs then that are now D1 include the Dakota schools, UC Irvine, Cal Poly SLO and Pomona, Easter Michigan and many of the "directional" Illinois schools. NAIA schools filled some of these losses but they tend to be more geographically clustered so there are gaps in D2 throughout the country.
When D2 was created there were a lot of schools in it that now are D1 "mid majors." U Mass, Lehigh, Delaware, the Michigan directional schools, the Dakota schools with their states' names, a lot of Northeast Conference schools, all were in D2 when I and probably you were there. As the D1 basketball tournament became more popular and lucrative they moved to D1. At the other end there were schools that decided to drop to D3 because it can be cheaper or because there are more D3 schools in their area so scheduling is easier.
it's kind of a crossroads division, or division for people who broadly want "scholarship" and not d3. that they are better than d3. whether that is true sportswise depends on the specific school. a chunk are better than any d3 and could probably hold their own with most of the country even as d1s. d3 would respond, check our academics.
i say crossroads because a lot of what has happened is schools either moving up or moving down along the lines of that discussion above. good directional school d2 that can compete with weaker d1 and aspire to a schedule with michigan or at least appalachian state. or smaller schools almost like NAIA that don't look different from most of d3, probably play a fair amount of them and win some lose some. both ends of d2 kind of bleed into the surrounding divisions.
i am going to be curious if d2 restocks up if the quasi-pro craziness coming into d1 changes competitiveness badly or makes a bunch of talent available with smaller rosters. like that schools that can't compete d1 or don't want to/can't afford the new going rate, drop back to d2.
in terms of XC, maybe the top 10-15 d2 are above what any d3 could do. those schools are like ok d1s in quality. but right behind them is a big ol' pack of d3s as good as the back end of d1 and most of d2. if you are in the special few, it's a higher level run faster than d3 can manage. if not, it's interchangeable except they are on scholarship and we're not.
to me, the front end is d1 stupidly overlooked me and i should be a scholarship athlete at a solid state school -- so i am. the back end is more like indistinguishable kids who wanted scholarship division as opposed to not.
I have probably hired over 500 people in my career in management and the truth is nobody cares where you went to college. I barely glance at the school name where they got their degree and everyone that I hire has at least a Master's degree. People will say this isn't true about med school, but have you ever asked any of your doctors where they went to med school? I know I haven't. Maybe law school matters, but even there I am skeptical. If I had to hire an attorney, I would want stats on how they actually do in the courtroom not where they went to school.
If you are getting a very generic degree or need a graduate degree to work in your chosen field, then get your BA/BS at the lowest cost possible. Save the prestige school for your post-graduate degree.
Accounting, biology, liberal arts, English, etc. are the same at any institution. Where you get your MBA, PhD, or professional degree matters more. Don’t be the schmuck that goes $150K in debt for a big name undergrad degree but can only afford a third tier law school or local university MBA program.
I’ve always been told this too of if you’re going to grad school, go to cost effective undergrad. Problem is, 18-22 year old kids don’t know or change their minds about what they want to do. But it’s a good framework to go by.
I have probably hired over 500 people in my career in management and the truth is nobody cares where you went to college. I barely glance at the school name where they got their degree and everyone that I hire has at least a Master's degree. People will say this isn't true about med school, but have you ever asked any of your doctors where they went to med school? I know I haven't. Maybe law school matters, but even there I am skeptical. If I had to hire an attorney, I would want stats on how they actually do in the courtroom not where they went to school.
My wife went to Yale law school, and absolutely would agree with you.
Have to disagree, I ran D2..was not good enough for D1..in the 90’s. Had a very successful military career where I out performed several academy and Ivy school officers. For me I wanted a small liberal arts school where I could run and do Army ROTC…and now I am highly successful in second career DC. What is great about XC…is you are in races with D1/2/3 runners….so for me it was a great experience both running and academically…as I excelled in 2 graduate programs….one program that is one of the most competitive in the US….The key is about fit and what is right for the individual…I and an amazing coach and many great professors.
I have probably hired over 500 people in my career in management and the truth is nobody cares where you went to college. I barely glance at the school name where they got their degree and everyone that I hire has at least a Master's degree. People will say this isn't true about med school, but have you ever asked any of your doctors where they went to med school? I know I haven't. Maybe law school matters, but even there I am skeptical. If I had to hire an attorney, I would want stats on how they actually do in the courtroom not where they went to school.
My wife went to Yale law school, and absolutely would agree with you.
Funny you mention Yale Law. Of all the grad schools, it probably has the highest career success rate for grads.
There are many good ones: Stanford MBA, MIT Tech, Harvard/Columbia/Hopkins med, but Yale Law best in show.