With all the nil/roster limit stuff going on it sounds like it. Problem is most d2s have lousy academics. For the above average not all state type, best is probably d3 with an academic scholarship. NAIA is about even with d2.
Pick an “average D1” and let’s compare notes. If it means “everything or nothing” then there should be a relegation system to send all the bottom of the barrel “D1” teams down to D2 to earn that coveted title of being D1! You’d have to earn a win at “baby nationals” before being able to compete with the big boys with your everything or nothing idea!
Nope, everything or nothing would mean one division for everyone. A real national championships. It would be fun to see 0 D2 schools make it.
Take a close look at how Adam’s State and Grand Valley did at Notre Dames Joe Piane invite this year, and Wingate at Paul Short (smoked Harvard). Wingate should win but GV and Adam’s are not a guarantee to podium, although they should
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Smart people look at data rather than anecdotal evidence. D2 is much dumber than D1 and even D3. D2 is a group of schools. D1 is also much faster than D2 even though one D2 is very good this year.
Smart people look at data rather than anecdotal evidence. D2 is much dumber than D1 and even D3. D2 is a group of schools. D1 is also much faster than D2 even though one D2 is very good this year.
I've known three D2 grads. One is a Mines alum and the other two are abject morons.
Problem is most d2s have lousy academics. For the above average not all state type, best is probably d3 with an academic scholarship. NAIA is about even with d2.
I keep hearing this....D2 stinks academically. I can't speak to other schools, but at least the D2 in my hometown is pretty good.
Stanislaus State was ranked No. 24 nationally among 500 colleges and universities in the Wall Street Journal/College Pulse 2025 Best Colleges in the U.S. rankings announced Sept. 5.
A lot of D2 are state schools that kind of "accept all comers". It's a mistake, however, to confuse high acceptance rates with the core mission of most state schools: helping move people up the economic ladder.
D2 is better if only you are from another country. Seems like they only bring in runners that are not from the US. Read the top 20 names from any D2 meet and tell me how many Americans you see
Problem is most d2s have lousy academics. For the above average not all state type, best is probably d3 with an academic scholarship. NAIA is about even with d2.
I keep hearing this....D2 stinks academically. I can't speak to other schools, but at least the D2 in my hometown is pretty good.
A lot of D2 are state schools that kind of "accept all comers". It's a mistake, however, to confuse high acceptance rates with the core mission of most state schools: helping move people up the economic ladder.
I am retired... I know lots of D2 graduates who went on to have successful careers in about every field imaginable. One of the richest guys I know went to a D2 and he made a fortune in apartment building and real estate. Another D2 guy I know has the biggest commercial construction company in western Oklahoma. He is building a mid high here in the town I live right now. My own kid was a D2 athlete. She graduated that D2 and got in Medical school. Is a Dermatologist. Works four days a week for an absurd salary.
I am also a few years retired from coaching at the college level. One thing that I said to recruits and their families throughout my 21 years was that you can earn a great education and a valuable degree at almost any college, or you can end up at a school that isn't a good fit or waste your 4 years and end up with not much of an education or a degree that doesn't do you much good. I strongly believe that. There are great schools at all levels.
I attended a D2 school, it was a great fit for me, would have been considered mid-size back then. I was in a lot of small classes and was able to spend just about as much time as I needed working with almost all my professors. Over 60% of my classes were in subject areas outside my major, which was a big challenge and introduced me to a lot of things I had zero background in that became interests of mine. I don't think I would have thrived in larger classes at the D1 school across town.
This is a great point. I went to a D2 school and I think it was probably the best choice for me.
I was a 1:53 800 runner out of high school. I won my division at state that year, so I had some D1,D2 and D3 schools calling. In the end I decided to go D2 since it seemed like I'd fit in best there. I was a very average XC runner (25 flat 8k, 32 min 10k), but I still got to travel and compete in every meet, and the team made it to nationals every year.
I also ended up cracking 1:50 and placing in the 800 at indoor and outdoor nationals the last few years I was there. Being able to compete for a (baby) national championship was a completely different experience than getting my a** kicked week in and week out in D1 would have been. Would I have gone a second or two faster in D1? Maybe. Would it have been worth the tradeoff? I don't think so. I wasn't going pro either way and neither will 99.99% of college runners. I also made a ton of great friends from the team.
And for academics, my classes were fine and my degree has been fine too. I majored in biochemistry, I work at a biotech firm in management, making multiple 6 figures. My best friend from the team is an advertising exec making more than I do. My roommate from freshman year just sold his international insurance business and is semi-retired at 42. If you want to go to a prestigious grad program or go to work in investment banking, then yeah, an Ivy degree will help you a lot. I'm not convinced that a degree from a D1 vs a D2 school will make much of a difference, all else being equal.
End of story, but thought that might be useful for some kids deciding on where to go to school this year.
I also went to a D2 school. Close to retirement now. My degree / university was always a plus in interviews and I was never hindered by it. 40 years later it still has a stellar reputation though no longer D2. And no, I did not run there, not near fast enough. 2 time XC and 3 time track national champs while I was there. In truth I'm not sure I could have handled running and my studies. Not dissappointed in my choices.
No one claims that D2 academics are Stanford or big state flagship university level, but is an accounting degree from Chico State or an engineering diploma from Colorado Mines an impediment to gainful employment? Sure, their social network isn’t as large but future success is up to the individual.
I graduated from a small D2 and retired at 55 after three decades in the athletic footwear industry. My classmate is a VP at Amazon. There are marginally employed former D1 studs working in retail stores and Ivy grads pulling less than $60K as high school teachers/coaches. Education and opportunity are what you make of them.
the ivy grad working as a high school teacher is doing a lot more social good than spending three decades in the athletic footwear industry, however much they earn
are you kidding me leaning on the WSJ list with babson 2, bentley 11, UC davis 12 and UC merced 18 (butt not UCLA, UCSC, berkley). and stanislaus is literally below average students. like around 1000 SAT, and that's in the recentered era.
laverne over hopkins? i like me some sciac but come on.
look, i get they want to throw shade at the big UC schools, promote improving southern public schools, and tout practical majors, engineering or business schools, but it's an argument posing as a ranking.
I went D1 Big10 (just barely walked on with 4:18 1600 and just barely sub 16 5k 10 years ago). Amazing choice. I think a great piece of advice for kids is choose where you would be happy whether you are on the team or not. I trained my ass off and got way faster for 2 years, got a tuition free degree (in-state school), made life long friendships, and even though I was essentially bounced from the team when I only improved to 14:40 and 8:25 as a Sophomore, it still was great. Got to live a normal college life for 2 years and study abroad. I coach high school now and love it (most of the time). I feel bummed this opportunity won't be available for mid-tier guys going forward.
No one claims that D2 academics are Stanford or big state flagship university level, but is an accounting degree from Chico State or an engineering diploma from Colorado Mines an impediment to gainful employment? Sure, their social network isn’t as large but future success is up to the individual.
I graduated from a small D2 and retired at 55 after three decades in the athletic footwear industry. My classmate is a VP at Amazon. There are marginally employed former D1 studs working in retail stores and Ivy grads pulling less than $60K as high school teachers/coaches. Education and opportunity are what you make of them.
the ivy grad working as a high school teacher is doing a lot more social good than spending three decades in the athletic footwear industry, however much they earn
Bro. Why would you go to an Ivy with the intent of teaching HS unless you're getting the whole shebang paid for. Talk about terrible ROI. My sister in law went to "an exclusive private school" here on the west coast with the intent of being a HS math teacher. She got to start her adult life $125,000.00 in debt, while I got to start mine with zero debt.
the ivy grad working as a high school teacher is doing a lot more social good than spending three decades in the athletic footwear industry, however much they earn
Bro. Why would you go to an Ivy with the intent of teaching HS unless you're getting the whole shebang paid for. Talk about terrible ROI. My sister in law went to "an exclusive private school" here on the west coast with the intent of being a HS math teacher. She got to start her adult life $125,000.00 in debt, while I got to start mine with zero debt.
Plus, I'll smoke any ivy grad at teaching.
And you still come on here and can not coach for the life of you.
the ivy grad working as a high school teacher is doing a lot more social good than spending three decades in the athletic footwear industry, however much they earn
Bro. Why would you go to an Ivy with the intent of teaching HS unless you're getting the whole shebang paid for. Talk about terrible ROI. My sister in law went to "an exclusive private school" here on the west coast with the intent of being a HS math teacher. She got to start her adult life $125,000.00 in debt, while I got to start mine with zero debt.
Plus, I'll smoke any ivy grad at teaching.
have you spent significant chunks of your life in elite environments? sport, business, education, policy - whatever.
they can be stimulating and inspiring. they can give you confidence when you leave them becuase your skills and talents have been tested against the very best.
they can help you identify great quality characteristics outside of the necesarily narrow field of elite expertise. if you're paying attention, they can humble you and turn you into the opposite of elitist.
they can also give you perspective when some muppet says they can 'smoke any ivy grad at teaching'. such a bold statement can only come from true ignorance
the ivy grad working as a high school teacher is doing a lot more social good than spending three decades in the athletic footwear industry, however much they earn
Bro. Why would you go to an Ivy with the intent of teaching HS unless you're getting the whole shebang paid for. Talk about terrible ROI. My sister in law went to "an exclusive private school" here on the west coast with the intent of being a HS math teacher. She got to start her adult life $125,000.00 in debt, while I got to start mine with zero debt.
Plus, I'll smoke any ivy grad at teaching.
ask your sister in law to explain the dunning kruger effect to you
