Ok, but in addition to his 44.20 400, he also has a 21.02 indoor 200 pr from last year as a 16-year-old. I'm not quite sure what you're getting at by stating he's not a sub 10 100m guy. He's definitely a world-class sprinter that is only going to get better, anyway you slice it. His ability to run a 1:50 800 without even focusing on it further affirms his raw talent and natural endurance strength. There is no way you can tell me he can't sleepwalk a mile in the 4:30s at a minimum.
If he were a world class short sprinter, he would have tried out for the 100m and 200m at the OG.
21.02 is not world class.
He may be one of those rare long sprinters like Juantorena and Harbig and Mark Everett and a few of the recent/current Kenyans who is world class at 400m and 800m.
None of them were world class at 100m/200m.
Describing someone as a long sprinter is the same as classifying them as a 400/800m runner. That type of athlete cannot run 9.98, 19.92, or long jump 27 feet. There’s an overlap at 400m, but Boling probably can’t run much under 2:00 for 800m and he would be below average for a decathlete in the 1500m.
Actually I think Michael's time was from a theoretical discussion. But he has run sub 44 and sub 20 so it seems reasonable to think he could have run a sub 5 mile in his prime.
If he were a world class short sprinter, he would have tried out for the 100m and 200m at the OG.
21.02 is not world class.
He may be one of those rare long sprinters like Juantorena and Harbig and Mark Everett and a few of the recent/current Kenyans who is world class at 400m and 800m.
None of them were world class at 100m/200m.
Describing someone as a long sprinter is the same as classifying them as a 400/800m runner. That type of athlete cannot run 9.98, 19.92, or long jump 27 feet. There’s an overlap at 400m, but Boling probably can’t run much under 2:00 for 800m and he would be below average for a decathlete in the 1500m.
Actually there is a fellow you apparently haven’t heard of, and his name is Wayde Van Niekerk. He is a long sprinter who has the world record at the long sprint of 400m. He was perhaps the world’s greatest long sprinter at one time. He has run 43.03. He also has run 9.94. Look him up.
If he were a world class short sprinter, he would have tried out for the 100m and 200m at the OG.
21.02 is not world class.
He may be one of those rare long sprinters like Juantorena and Harbig and Mark Everett and a few of the recent/current Kenyans who is world class at 400m and 800m.
None of them were world class at 100m/200m.
Describing someone as a long sprinter is the same as classifying them as a 400/800m runner.
Nope.
400m and 600m are long sprints.
800m is the short end range of middle distance.
How can we know this?
Because any decent miler will crush almost every world class sprinter in an 800m race
Describing someone as a long sprinter is the same as classifying them as a 400/800m runner. That type of athlete cannot run 9.98, 19.92, or long jump 27 feet. There’s an overlap at 400m, but Boling probably can’t run much under 2:00 for 800m and he would be below average for a decathlete in the 1500m.
Actually there is a fellow you apparently haven’t heard of, and his name is Wayde Van Niekerk. He is a long sprinter who has the world record at the long sprint of 400m. He was perhaps the world’s greatest long sprinter at one time. He has run 43.03. He also has run 9.94. Look him up.
Korir was a long sprinter. He has had multiple sub 45 second clockings. I am not sure why this is so challenging for you.
Ok but the claim was no world class sprinter can run a halfway decent mile. If you're gonna include sub-45 guys, you're gonna get plenty of 400/800 guys that can run a decent mile since they're partially 800 guys. Amos ran 44.99 and 3:44, but only 21.3 in the 200. Including 400/800 guys just makes the question boring. The thing that's obviously ACTUALLY being asked is how many world class sprinters, ie primarily 100/200/400 guys (not 400/800), have run a decent mile. Seems like the numbers that are getting attached are sub-10/20 and sub-5.
You don't need to be deliberately obtuse. If you want to say that 400/800 guys can run a decent mile, I don't think anyone is gonna argue with you.
Korir was a long sprinter. He has had multiple sub 45 second clockings. I am not sure why this is so challenging for you.
Ok but the claim was no world class sprinter can run a halfway decent mile. If you're gonna include sub-45 guys, you're gonna get plenty of 400/800 guys that can run a decent mile since they're partially 800 guys. Amos ran 44.99 and 3:44, but only 21.3 in the 200. Including 400/800 guys just makes the question boring. The thing that's obviously ACTUALLY being asked is how many world class sprinters, ie primarily 100/200/400 guys (not 400/800), have run a decent mile. Seems like the numbers that are getting attached are sub-10/20 and sub-5.
You don't need to be deliberately obtuse. If you want to say that 400/800 guys can run a decent mile, I don't think anyone is gonna argue with you.
That was not the claim.
The claim was no world class sprinter can run a decent mile.
I know because I am the one who made the claim.
Here it is from comment #3 on this thread:
"No world class sprinter can run a halfway decent mile."
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Korir was a long sprinter. He has had multiple sub 45 second clockings. I am not sure why this is so challenging for you.
Ok but the claim was no world class sprinter can run a halfway decent mile. If you're gonna include sub-45 guys, you're gonna get plenty of 400/800 guys that can run a decent mile since they're partially 800 guys. Amos ran 44.99 and 3:44, but only 21.3 in the 200. Including 400/800 guys just makes the question boring. The thing that's obviously ACTUALLY being asked is how many world class sprinters, ie primarily 100/200/400 guys (not 400/800), have run a decent mile. Seems like the numbers that are getting attached are sub-10/20 and sub-5.
You don't need to be deliberately obtuse. If you want to say that 400/800 guys can run a decent mile, I don't think anyone is gonna argue with you.
There are a few sub 45 400m guys who can run a world class 800m.
Describing someone as a long sprinter is the same as classifying them as a 400/800m runner. That type of athlete cannot run 9.98, 19.92, or long jump 27 feet. There’s an overlap at 400m, but Boling probably can’t run much under 2:00 for 800m and he would be below average for a decathlete in the 1500m.
Actually there is a fellow you apparently haven’t heard of, and his name is Wayde Van Niekerk. He is a long sprinter who has the world record at the long sprint of 400m. He was perhaps the world’s greatest long sprinter at one time. He has run 43.03. He also has run 9.94. Look him up.
Yeah, but he would probably suck in the mile, just like Boling would.
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Ok but the claim was no world class sprinter can run a halfway decent mile. If you're gonna include sub-45 guys, you're gonna get plenty of 400/800 guys that can run a decent mile since they're partially 800 guys. Amos ran 44.99 and 3:44, but only 21.3 in the 200. Including 400/800 guys just makes the question boring. The thing that's obviously ACTUALLY being asked is how many world class sprinters, ie primarily 100/200/400 guys (not 400/800), have run a decent mile. Seems like the numbers that are getting attached are sub-10/20 and sub-5.
You don't need to be deliberately obtuse. If you want to say that 400/800 guys can run a decent mile, I don't think anyone is gonna argue with you.
That was not the claim.
The claim was no world class sprinter can run a decent mile.
I know because I am the one who made the claim.
Here it is from comment #3 on this thread:
"No world class sprinter can run a halfway decent mile."
This thread is a dull headache.
I get what Peach Pit is saying and I agree. Korir can be called a sprinter, fine, but it’s clear that he’s not the same type of sprinter as Boling. Boling is a 100 through 400 guy who probably wouldn’t be running many 400s at all if it wasn’t his only path to U.S. teams. Boling running a mile is more akin to Korir running 10k cross country (he ran 33:33 to place 249th/251 at 2016 NCAA XC Nats).
Weren't people on here speculating that 270lb 6'9" Lebron James could run in the mid 4s if he trained for it for a few months? I think I was told that I didn't understand when I objected and provided some other Clydesdale times for comparison-- it isn't the same, after all, since he is a generational athlete and whatnot.
People really discount the affect that size has on your ability to run. Once you start getting strong (physically, not aerobically), it becomes quite hard to power the added muscle mass at any sort of speed for more than a few minutes.
Korir was a long sprinter. He has had multiple sub 45 second clockings. I am not sure why this is so challenging for you.
Ok but the claim was no world class sprinter can run a halfway decent mile. If you're gonna include sub-45 guys, you're gonna get plenty of 400/800 guys that can run a decent mile since they're partially 800 guys. Amos ran 44.99 and 3:44, but only 21.3 in the 200. Including 400/800 guys just makes the question boring. The thing that's obviously ACTUALLY being asked is how many world class sprinters, ie primarily 100/200/400 guys (not 400/800), have run a decent mile. Seems like the numbers that are getting attached are sub-10/20 and sub-5.
You don't need to be deliberately obtuse. If you want to say that 400/800 guys can run a decent mile, I don't think anyone is gonna argue with you.
You say that including 400/800 guys makes the question boring. I am more interested in the truth than excitement but I understand you are not wired that way. But if someone wants to say that nobody who can run sub 10 can run 4:30, for example, that might be true but it doesn’t make the thread any more exciting.
that's bad. idc if he is a sprinter he is an elite athlete for Gods sake
What? Why is that bad?
Moving that weight 1609 meters in 5:21 shows very good aerobic fitness.
Impressive for a guy who could go run 10-low and 20-point any day of the week.
Moving that weight? As a HS senior he was 6' 162, he's probably not much more than that now. That's about the same weight as Jakob. Also seeing his splits, that was absolutely not an all out effort
Ok but the claim was no world class sprinter can run a halfway decent mile. If you're gonna include sub-45 guys, you're gonna get plenty of 400/800 guys that can run a decent mile since they're partially 800 guys. Amos ran 44.99 and 3:44, but only 21.3 in the 200. Including 400/800 guys just makes the question boring. The thing that's obviously ACTUALLY being asked is how many world class sprinters, ie primarily 100/200/400 guys (not 400/800), have run a decent mile. Seems like the numbers that are getting attached are sub-10/20 and sub-5.
You don't need to be deliberately obtuse. If you want to say that 400/800 guys can run a decent mile, I don't think anyone is gonna argue with you.
That was not the claim.
The claim was no world class sprinter can run a decent mile.
I know because I am the one who made the claim.
Here it is from comment #3 on this thread:
"No world class sprinter can run a halfway decent mile."
To respond to your claim...
I'm sure some could run a decent mile if they trained for it...
But why would they train for it?
I'm sure Matt Bowling could train himself way under a five minute mile if he worked at it...
Heck, frickin' LeBron walked out there and broke 5 minutes on a bet with Malcolm Gladwell.
Boling’s roots as a 100/200 runner is an important consideration and the mile race was more training than a real time trial. However, 5:20’s suggest that Boling’s 44:84 PB might be closer to his ceiling than I initially expected. Overall, this raises questions about the strategy behind prioritizing the 400m over his “core” events or even the LJ. I also don’t think that Norman (who has faster 100/200 PBs than Boling) probably can run a sub 5-min mile and his pedigree is elite but Norman has struggled to find the consistency at the final kick needed to compete on the biggest stages in a way that is actually not dissimilar from Boling. A 400m race is one where kicking does matter and now I’m questioning if Boling will ever make a world team in the event again in a world where his competitors - Bailey, Norwood, Wilson, Hall, (maybe Deadmon) - have the range to finish in races that require sub 44:50 to be competitive. Boling isn’t there yet and his mile shows he has a while before he gets there.
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