You're a hypocrite if you cry foul on Ruth but celebrated Hocker and Fisher.

voodooscience wrote:

add the half marathon in there and you see it is closer already. again there is no scientific reason why it should be exactly in line with other records. endurance is totally different to other athletics wrt gender.

why does 2h24 marathon scores like a mid 31 10k for a woman in the world athletics points table but mid 30 for a man.

a woman that runs a 10k 10% slower than a man with proper training should be able to run the marathon 9% slower than him

Callingoutthehypocrisy wrote:

Up until the Olympic, Hocker was an also-run without ever breaking 3:30. He wasn't even fast enough to eat dust of Jakob and Kerr, but came this Olympic, he'd become a world beater, taking 3 secs off his PB and breaking the OR. His progression didn't make sense. At least in Ruth case, she's always pretty good in the marathon. She ran 2:18 way back in 2018 and that was the 7th fastest time at the time.

But what about Rosa? I know you guys also love playing guilty by association. Fisher came from the BTC (Burrito Track Club). I don't know how he hacked the WADA with his new coach, but he's no less shady, association-wise.

Callingoutthehypocrisy wrote:

Up until the Olympic, Hocker was an also-run without ever breaking 3:30. He wasn't even fast enough to eat dust of Jakob and Kerr, but came this Olympic, he'd become a world beater, taking 3 secs off his PB and breaking the OR. His progression didn't make sense. At least in Ruth case, she's always pretty good in the marathon. She ran 2:18 way back in 2018 and that was the 7th fastest time at the time.

But what about Rosa? I know you guys also love playing guilty by association. Fisher came from the BTC (Burrito Track Club). I don't know how he hacked the WADA with his new coach, but he's no less shady, association-wise.

asdfghj wrote:

whatnow wrote:

why do marathon times a 2h event with male pacers have to be inline with 5000 and 10000 world record , where does that 10% and 11% come from ? it doesn't make sense

the IAAF scoring tables acknowledge that women are better relatively when the distance increase. there is no logic to saying the woman marathon record should be 10% or 11% lower than the men's.

Here are the percent difference between men's and WR in flat events. 11% seems fairly consistent.

100 - 9.5% (FloJo wind aided)
200 - 11.2%
400 - 10.6% (women haven't been close to WR for decades)
800 - 12.3%
1500 - 11.2%
Mile - 11%
3000 - 11.1%
5000 - 11.2%
10000 - 10.4% (women have been attacking WR lately, hasn't been a mens WR attempt in 4 years)
Marathon - 7.8%

runn wrote:

asdfghj wrote:

Here are the percent difference between men's and WR in flat events. 11% seems fairly consistent.

100 - 9.5% (FloJo wind aided)
200 - 11.2%
400 - 10.6% (women haven't been close to WR for decades)
800 - 12.3%
1500 - 11.2%
Mile - 11%
3000 - 11.1%
5000 - 11.2%
10000 - 10.4% (women have been attacking WR lately, hasn't been a mens WR attempt in 4 years)
Marathon - 7.8%

For the marathon we should use Eliud's sub 2 because he (and this women's record) had pacers the whole way.

What would Kiptum have run if a few runners jumped in the last 10K to pace him to the finish?

asdfghj wrote:

runn wrote:

For the marathon we should use Eliud's sub 2 because he (and this women's record) had pacers the whole way.

What would Kiptum have run if a few runners jumped in the last 10K to pace him to the finish?

Using Kipchoge's 1:59:40, that changes the difference to 8.57%, still the lowest on the list. I'd also point out that the Sub 2 event was not record eligible for more reasons than just rotating pacers.

I do agree that male pacers are a big advantage for women attacking the WR. But think about it. Radcliffe had Wejo as a pacer for a WR. There were lots of American men that caliber at the time. What American man could have gotten today to pace a 2:09:56?

Callingoutthehypocrisy wrote:

Up until the Olympic, Hocker was an also-run without ever breaking 3:30. He wasn't even fast enough to eat dust of Jakob and Kerr, but came this Olympic, he'd become a world beater, taking 3 secs off his PB and breaking the OR. His progression didn't make sense. At least in Ruth case, she's always pretty good in the marathon. She ran 2:18 way back in 2018 and that was the 7th fastest time at the time.

But what about Rosa? I know you guys also love playing guilty by association. Fisher came from the BTC (Burrito Track Club). I don't know how he hacked the WADA with his new coach, but he's no less shady, association-wise.

asdfghj wrote:

whatnow wrote:

Here are the percent difference between men's and WR in flat events. 11% seems fairly consistent.

100 - 9.5% (FloJo wind aided)
200 - 11.2%
400 - 10.6% (women haven't been close to WR for decades)
800 - 12.3%
1500 - 11.2%
Mile - 11%
3000 - 11.1%
5000 - 11.2%
10000 - 10.4% (women have been attacking WR lately, hasn't been a mens WR attempt in 4 years)
Marathon - 7.8%

100km - 7.5%

Callingoutthehypocrisy wrote:

Up until the Olympic, Hocker was an also-run without ever breaking 3:30. He wasn't even fast enough to eat dust of Jakob and Kerr, but came this Olympic, he'd become a world beater, taking 3 secs off his PB and breaking the OR. His progression didn't make sense. At least in Ruth case, she's always pretty good in the marathon. She ran 2:18 way back in 2018 and that was the 7th fastest time at the time.

But what about Rosa? I know you guys also love playing guilty by association. Fisher came from the BTC (Burrito Track Club). I don't know how he hacked the WADA with his new coach, but he's no less shady, association-wise.

Callingoutthehypocrisy wrote:

downvote all you want without any rebuttal. Your cowardice is showing! You know I'm right!

Fair and balanced wrote:

How many tests for each last year?

Reality Check to the African doping supporters wrote:

Fisher, unlike so many other runners, has much to lose given where he lives (USA), a society that doesn’t put up with cheaters, his education and intelligence level that will translate to greatness beyond his running years.