Here is what say El Guerrouj about the Super-Shoes and Jakob race in Paris

Kommie, you have a way of making me lose all interest in a thread. It is a talent of sorts I guess.

Oh yes do not ever doubt it sir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The El G from 1997-2000 would have run the 3000m in faster than 7:23 and 12:50 alright!!!!!!!!

At least 7:15 and 12:25, for sure sir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On my neck alright!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know about the 800m 1:39, I don't think it's a direct conversion because El G would be considered more of an endurance person towards 5000m than a 400m speed based runner towards 800m!!!!!

He retired at age 29. He ran through 3 olympic cycles and he would have been 33 in 2008. At the time, not many middle distance runner ran past 30. So it seemed perfectly reasonable to retire when he did.

The biggest proof that El Guerrouj was clean, is the rumors spread about him.

I spend my day trying to filtrate anything about him while talking to Moroccan crowd among ancient runners .. and I don't find anything.

If he was dirty why his coach Kada proposed him to apply to FRMA presidency in 2019 against "the high Royal court supported" Ahizoun.

Some people say that only a royal décret can fire Ahizoun from the federation of athletism.

More more more importantly, El Guerrouj comes from an extreme conservative oriental background ... his friends are filtrated.

Nothing to do with the open mouth Aouita and his secret marriage, his social issues spread on the medias.

You will not find anything related to the personal life of El Guerrouj in medias, nothing about his wife or his daughter ... nothing about American snobism of Aouita.

You would have to be a moron to believe this. He could have been clean, but that is no proof whatsoever. How stupid are you?

Sounds about right. With super shoes, nicer tracks and pacing lights El G easily runs 3:24-3:23 No doubts.

Put Jakob, Kerr, Hocker and Naguse racing each other on an old track with 1980's spikes and then see if they can break 3:29. I will be surprised if they run like 3:31-3:30

That reasoning brings to mind the claim that the very top Kenyan runners wouldn't benefit from taking EPO because they are already perfect, and therefore beyond the reach of any type of performance enhancement.

How do you (we) know Jakob is clean, and know El G was not?

Yep. As clean as anyone has ever been in the history of the world. 3:26 and not even breathing hard. That's very believable.

We know El G wasn't clean, we've seen Jakob every year since he was 10. At what age do you suspect that he started doping?

Your post doesn't make much sense, just the usual "if a white runner runs faster than a doped African from 30 years ago, he must be doped to the max himself" type spam bot stupidity.

You're replying in a thread about super shoes and times, and I just accepted that El G would run 3:22 minimum today (with the same doping as the 90's). That's nearly 5 seconds faster than Jakob over 1500. Yet because Jakob runs 6 seconds faster over 3000m with wavelights, super shoes, and trampoline tracks, than El G did nearly 30 years ago, it proves Jakob must be doping and that I'm a racist? Right.

El G ran the 1500m 26 seconds faster than the great Paavo Nurmi did in 1924. The distance between Nurmi and El G is only and exactly 3 times as long as that between El G (1999) and Jakob (2024). Nurmi is known to have used testosterone back then. It follows that El G doped, right?

Downright Trumpian bullsheet. EPO testing, such as it was, was introduced at the 2000 Olys in Sidney. El G announced his retirement in 2006.

When will people here start to understand that the main benefit comes from saving your legs in TRAINING, so that you’re less beat up, more quality volume can be done in a cycle, which eventually translates to race results. Running efficiency for the 3+ race minutes is not the point of supershoes!

Well I wonder what he would say about the roids of the 90's.

I wish ElG spoke about EPO.

I'd say Jakob goes 3:23.5 on EPO. An incredibly effective red cell booster.

Not sure what Trump has to do with it, but you are right to a degree.

We all know that EPO testing was introduced at the 2000 Olympics (where El G surprisingly lost, despite having a pacemaker in the final). Random EPO testing was gradually introduced from 2002. However, EPO testing was notoriously ineffective at this stage. It was announced in 2005 that a far more effective test was being developed and likely to be introduced in the coming years.

However, what probably spooked El G even more than that was the fact that in 2005 the IAAF started storing blood samples for re-testing, for when this new test or even more effective ones would be available.

Unfortunately, even now the EPO test is still not much more effective, although we do have the ABP, which wouldn't have applied to El G even if he had decided to carry on for a few more years.

Find blogs and whatever to help you.

El G. had his samples preserved until 2012.

Your bullsheet is Trumpian in that it's so easily falsified.