The biggest lie/myth that was doing the rounds when I was younger is that marijuana is a harmless drug. The amount of people I know who grew up believing that and who suffered/suffer from psychosis is scary. People pushing the legalization agenda comparing it to alcohol/smoking should be stopped from doing so. It's very different and far more destructive.
Two of the people I grew up with that used to rant on about how harmless marijuana was and how it was a gift from God,
”Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed…”
Ended up taking their own lives in their twenties.
You have to drink not just every day, but a whole lot, to be addicted to it.
You’re wrong about that. I have a dear friend who is a nurse in an Intensive Care Unit. She tells me it is not uncommon for people who have only a few drinks a day to suffer some form of withdrawal when they come into the hospital for a procedure. They feel terrible and can’t understand why. The nurse will ask a few questions and discover that they have 3-4 drinks a day.
that is not "withdrawal." It's a "form of withdrawal" invented to falsely lump in your 3-4 drink a day folks with actual alcoholics who require detox.
Noone in real alcohol withdrawal would fail to "understand why." It's severe, potentially fatal.
Typical anecdotal nonsense of the $$$-grubbing treatment industry. If you drink 4 a day and want do stop, you might be a bit uncomfortable adjusting, but it's not withdrawal. If you don't do it, the brutal truth is you didn't really want to. Just make up your mind and don't fall prey to charlatans who tempt you to cast aside personal responsibility.
Eh, that’s a cop out. It was our choice to make marijuana legal, commercialized, and socially acceptable. So it was our choice to have what we have now.
You’re wrong about that. I have a dear friend who is a nurse in an Intensive Care Unit. She tells me it is not uncommon for people who have only a few drinks a day to suffer some form of withdrawal when they come into the hospital for a procedure. They feel terrible and can’t understand why. The nurse will ask a few questions and discover that they have 3-4 drinks a day.
that is not "withdrawal." It's a "form of withdrawal" invented to falsely lump in your 3-4 drink a day folks with actual alcoholics who require detox.
Noone in real alcohol withdrawal would fail to "understand why." It's severe, potentially fatal.
Typical anecdotal nonsense of the $-grubbing treatment industry. If you drink 4 a day and want do stop, you might be a bit uncomfortable adjusting, but it's not withdrawal. If you don't do it, the brutal truth is you didn't really want to. Just make up your mind and don't fall prey to charlatans who tempt you to cast aside personal responsibility.
Well, you said that you have to drink a “whole lot” to be addicted to it. That is clearly not true. I never said anything about it not being your personal responsibility, addicted or not.
And? Nobody pretends alcohol is safe or healthy. It isn’t like your choices in life are to drink or smoke weed.
We will see if this new world with legal weed and gambling works out. My guess is it makes little difference for like 95% of the population and like 5% ends up with some lower quality of life.
but maybe that is the best we can do. Lots of people really like their drugs. Maybe we would be better off letting them have their weed, coke, and rest. will society really lose that much with a few deaths of losers?
You’re wrong about that. I have a dear friend who is a nurse in an Intensive Care Unit. She tells me it is not uncommon for people who have only a few drinks a day to suffer some form of withdrawal when they come into the hospital for a procedure. They feel terrible and can’t understand why. The nurse will ask a few questions and discover that they have 3-4 drinks a day.
that is not "withdrawal." It's a "form of withdrawal" invented to falsely lump in your 3-4 drink a day folks with actual alcoholics who require detox.
Noone in real alcohol withdrawal would fail to "understand why." It's severe, potentially fatal.
Typical anecdotal nonsense of the $-grubbing treatment industry. If you drink 4 a day and want do stop, you might be a bit uncomfortable adjusting, but it's not withdrawal. If you don't do it, the brutal truth is you didn't really want to. Just make up your mind and don't fall prey to charlatans who tempt you to cast aside personal responsibility.
Yes 100%. I withdrew from benzos (which are equally as bad, if not worse), and no one experiencing withdrawal would be confused as to what's going on. You're literally craving the drug more than you've craved anything in your life. I suffered from DT's, insomnia and many other horrible withdrawal symptoms, but I was heavily physically dependent and required in patient rehab. I thought I was going to die.
"Feeling terrible" does not even begin to describe what it feels like for long time alcoholics to go through actual withdrawal.
It would be very uncommon and rare for someone drinking 3-4 drinks a day to experience what I went through.
The reduction in alcohol consumption that is underway, mostly replaced by pot, is going to prove to be one of the biggest boons to public health in American history.
There's no reduction in alcohol consumption. Despite marijuana use having surpassed alcohol use, daily alcohol use is still *increasing.*
Eh, that’s a cop out. It was our choice to make marijuana legal, commercialized, and socially acceptable. So it was our choice to have what we have now.
Freedom is not a cop out. We are free to make our choices and free to have to live with the consequences that result.
Eh, that’s a cop out. It was our choice to make marijuana legal, commercialized, and socially acceptable. So it was our choice to have what we have now.
Freedom is not a cop out. We are free to make our choices and free to have to live with the consequences that result.
So you are in favor of the freedom to do some coke and heroin? I have very few weed advocates that feel that way. They are in favor of making their drug legal but not others.
And I have never heard anyone in favor of letting Pfizer lose to see what wonderful recreational drugs they can come up with…
“A recent study unveiled a significant shift in American substance use consumption patterns, indicating that marijuana has outpaced alcohol in daily usage for the first time in history.”
Sis, despite the fact that alcohol users far out number marijuana users overall. Yet somehow alcohol users are better able to moderate there intake than marijuana users.
Of course it’s too late now. Marijuana users are able to get baked every day, if they want, without “getting hassled by The Man.” That was really the entire purpose of the legalization movement - getting really high without legal consequences- despite a lot of noble sounding language about human liberty and medical uses.
“A recent study unveiled a significant shift in American substance use consumption patterns, indicating that marijuana has outpaced alcohol in daily usage for the first time in history.”
Sis, despite the fact that alcohol users far out number marijuana users overall. Yet somehow alcohol users are better able to moderate there intake than marijuana users.
Of course it’s too late now. Marijuana users are able to get baked every day, if they want, without “getting hassled by The Man.” That was really the entire purpose of the legalization movement - getting really high without legal consequences- despite a lot of noble sounding language about human liberty and medical uses.
“A recent study unveiled a significant shift in American substance use consumption patterns, indicating that marijuana has outpaced alcohol in daily usage for the first time in history.”
Sis, despite the fact that alcohol users far out number marijuana users overall. Yet somehow alcohol users are better able to moderate there intake than marijuana users.
Of course it’s too late now. Marijuana users are able to get baked every day, if they want, without “getting hassled by The Man.” That was really the entire purpose of the legalization movement - getting really high without legal consequences- despite a lot of noble sounding language about human liberty and medical uses.
Do you understand what you are talking about when saying “the science”?
I guess your scientific method also proves that Teslas are the most addictive electric vehicle, and that things like crack, heroin, and meth are far less addictive that marijuana and alcohol.
Im gonna look up whether ibuprofen or tylenol is more addictive as well and get back to you.
“A recent study unveiled a significant shift in American substance use consumption patterns, indicating that marijuana has outpaced alcohol in daily usage for the first time in history.”
Sis, despite the fact that alcohol users far out number marijuana users overall. Yet somehow alcohol users are better able to moderate there intake than marijuana users.
Of course it’s too late now. Marijuana users are able to get baked every day, if they want, without “getting hassled by The Man.” That was really the entire purpose of the legalization movement - getting really high without legal consequences- despite a lot of noble sounding language about human liberty and medical uses.
Do you understand what you are talking about when saying “the science”?
I guess your scientific method also proves that Teslas are the most addictive electric vehicle, and that things like crack, heroin, and meth are far less addictive that marijuana and alcohol.
Im gonna look up whether ibuprofen or tylenol is more addictive as well and get back to you.
Yeah science!
Ah wait never mind, I just realized maybe people are starting to replace their recreational drug of choice with something far less addictive, subjectively more enjoyable, and substantially less harmful to your health. Oh crap and I guess Teslas also aren’t addictive, they just have better marketing than other electric vehicle brands and are trusted by consumers.
Ah wait never mind, I just realized maybe people are starting to replace their recreational drug of choice with something far less addictive, subjectively more enjoyable, and substantially less harmful to your health. Oh crap and I guess Teslas also aren’t addictive, they just have better marketing than other electric vehicle brands and are trusted by consumers.
Provide evidence of this improvement in health that I must have missed the past few decades as marijuana has grown in legality and displaced alcohol. Because what I hear about is a mental health crisis, record overdose deaths, etc.
but maybe that is the best we can do. Lots of people really like their drugs. Maybe we would be better off letting them have their weed, coke, and rest. will society really lose that much with a few deaths of losers?
Lots of people do like their drugs. But one of the reasons why we have so many drug users is that we make it mostly legal to acquire and use, and widely available. It’s a fact: when something is legal, you’ll ultimately get more of it. Not a profound observation, but it’s shocking what illogical justifications that libertarians and leftists used to explain that drug legalization will be a net positive for society.
Ah wait never mind, I just realized maybe people are starting to replace their recreational drug of choice with something far less addictive, subjectively more enjoyable, and substantially less harmful to your health. Oh crap and I guess Teslas also aren’t addictive, they just have better marketing than other electric vehicle brands and are trusted by consumers.
Provide evidence of this improvement in health that I must have missed the past few decades as marijuana has grown in legality and displaced alcohol. Because what I hear about is a mental health crisis, record overdose deaths, etc.
Record overdoses on marijuana?
Surely marijuana is causing the mental health and fentanyl epidemic. Never thought of it like that. Did you know shark attacks actually bring ice cream sales up? There’s a heavy correlation there too. Scary times we live in where people witness other people being eaten by sharks and say “wow I could go for a scoop!”
Goodness I am learning so much from so many statistics/science experts on this thread!
Check out that good CDC.gov, and check out annual alcohol related deaths, and annual marijuana related deaths. That’s a good start! Then you can look into symptoms of alcohol overdose, and symptoms of marijuana overdose. AND THEN you can look into symptoms of alcohol addiction, and symptoms of marijuana addiction.
Im not saying either are good for you, but alcohol is OBJECTIVELY one of the most harmful drugs on the planet, and marijuana is something your dad told you not to do.
I can come up with a significantly better and more logically/statistically sound explanation as to why drug overdose and depression is on the rise, but you cannot come up with a better explanation as to why 85,000 to 95,000 people in the US alone die from alcohol related illness annually and a big 0 people die from Marijuana related illness annually.