Who do I got? With these two erudites on stage, schooling me on the facts of life, business and crime, I've one thing for sure. Covfefe, and better make it a double.
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Idiocracy wrote:
These are facts, not personal attacks.
Trump lost the election in 2020. His team filed approximately 60 lawsuits to protest the results and every one of them was dismissed for lack of evidence. Every recount/investigation found no evidence of meaningful fraud. He appointed fake electors to override the votes of the people and asked VP, Pence, to count those instead of the real votes/electors. He asked 2 different foreign powers to interfere in 2 different US elections. His lawyers pled guilty to racketeering to change votes in GA. He continues to say the election was fraudulent against him.
On his way out of office, he took hundreds of classified documents. He / his lawyers lied to the National Archives about having them. They had insider information that he did have them. They gave him almost a year to produce them, then had to send the FBI to take them back.
He has called for the execution of the top US Military General for disagreeing with him. He has called for disbanding the Constitution. He asked for absolute immunity for all things pre, during, and after his time as President. He has stated that he will fire federal employees who are not loyal to him. He has stated that people who beat police officers, broke into and vandalized the Capital in an attempt to stop Congress from ratifying the election are heros whom he will pardon.
That is just some of his anti democracy actions.
Harris has no criminal record, nor any credible accusations of criminal activity. She has won all elections she has contested. She was the California Attorney General and was harsh on drug crime and corporate crime. She has stated her support for NATO and other US Allies.
Please feel free to search any of the above statements. Hopefully I have made your choice more clear.
Thank you. This is the type of good rational argument I want to see. Cogent stuff.
+3 for Harris
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Big Sis Kamala is cookin Trump and we're only 5 minutes into the debate.
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LA fire wrote:
The debate is obviously designed to help Drump win. Rigged AF. She should have never agreed to this! Sigh
Trump hates ABC because it's a "very corrupt organization, they’re a fake news network, a terrible network".
It's a shame they didn't get Rachel Scott to moderate. She really set him off during that interview at the Black journalist's conference.
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Idiocracy wrote:
These are facts, not personal attacks.
Trump lost the election in 2020. His team filed approximately 60 lawsuits to protest the results and every one of them was dismissed for lack of evidence. Every recount/investigation found no evidence of meaningful fraud. He appointed fake electors to override the votes of the people and asked VP, Pence, to count those instead of the real votes/electors. He asked 2 different foreign powers to interfere in 2 different US elections. His lawyers pled guilty to racketeering to change votes in GA. He continues to say the election was fraudulent against him.
On his way out of office, he took hundreds of classified documents. He / his lawyers lied to the National Archives about having them. They had insider information that he did have them. They gave him almost a year to produce them, then had to send the FBI to take them back.
He has called for the execution of the top US Military General for disagreeing with him. He has called for disbanding the Constitution. He asked for absolute immunity for all things pre, during, and after his time as President. He has stated that he will fire federal employees who are not loyal to him. He has stated that people who beat police officers, broke into and vandalized the Capital in an attempt to stop Congress from ratifying the election are heros whom he will pardon.
That is just some of his anti democracy actions.
Harris has no criminal record, nor any credible accusations of criminal activity. She has won all elections she has contested. She was the California Attorney General and was harsh on drug crime and corporate crime. She has stated her support for NATO and other US Allies.
Please feel free to search any of the above statements. Hopefully I have made your choice more clear.
1) Donald Trump himself paid THREE separate firms to prove nationwide voter fraud, and found NONE.
2) Fox News, thank to @TuckerCarlson, had to pay out $787.5 million for pushing Donald Trump's election LIES.
3) Rudy Giuliani had to pay $148 million for pushing Donald Trump's election LIES.
4) A Federal Judge in February 2024, ordered MyPillow conspiracy theorists @realMikeLindell to pay A TRUMP SUPPORTER $5 million after said Trump supporter proved Mike Lindell's voter fraud wrong.
5) In February 2024, conservative group True the Vote - who helped @DineshDSouza produce the content and the video 2000 Mules - told a court that it did NOT have evidence to support its allegations of voter fraud nor of ballot stuffing.
6) In May 2024, Salem Media Group, the company behind @DineshDSouza thoroughly discredited and debunked "2000 Mules," has pulled BOTH the film and the book from its platforms and has apologized to Mark Andrews, a Georgia man who filed a defamation suit after the film falsely depicted him as engaging in voter fraud.
Salem Media Group stated, "We have removed the film from Salem’s platforms, and there will be no future distribution of the film or the book by Salem."
7)ON September 4, 2024, Conservative election denier, Joe Oltmann, was ordered by a Judge to pay $1,000 A DAY to former Dominion Voting Systems Eric Coomer — for as long as he continues to withhold evidence of THREE election fraud claims he made against Coomer in court.146 -
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This may come in handy this evening:
What are the signs of sociopathy?
-ignoring social norms and laws, breaking rules at school or work, overstepping social boundaries, stealing, stalking and harassing others, or destroying property
-dishonesty and deceit, including using false identities and manipulating others for personal gain
--difficulty controlling impulses and planning for the future, or acting without considering the consequences
-aggressive or aggravated behavior, including frequent fights or physical conflict with others
disregard for personal safety, or the safety of others
-difficulty managing responsibilities, including showing up at work, handling tasks, or paying rent and bills
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I'm very curious to see if a senile, old school, rich, white man can tolerate an educated black woman telling him hes wrong and he's full of crap and lies about everything.
I predict he's going to go rogue on that stage, esp if Kamala is smart enough to get under his skin.
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Nothing different from what we've seen before. Dump will go on incoherent rants launching personal attacks; Kamala will seem boring but only because she has policy ideas and is sane. Right wingers of course will perceive Dump's unhinged, childish attacks as bAsEd and consider this a win, and everyone sane will just see this as a humiliation as usual for the GOP.
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Kamala failed the bar exam her first time - bottom third of her class. Why do you keep pretending she's intelligent?
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Nothing different from what we've seen before. Dump will go on incoherent rants launching personal attacks; Kamala will seem boring but only because she has policy ideas and is sane. Right wingers of course will perceive Dump's unhinged, childish attacks as bAsEd and consider this a win, and everyone sane will just see this as a humiliation as usual for the GOP.
When was Trump ever incoherent?
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What's the over/under on the time it takes Trump to break Harris? I say 25 minutes.
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Women for Trump wrote:
Kamala failed the bar exam her first time - bottom third of her class. Why do you keep pretending she's intelligent?
Excellent point.
I liked RFK Jr, but my vote is going to Trump.
+10 for Trump
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Women for Trump wrote:
Kamala failed the bar exam her first time - bottom third of her class. Why do you keep pretending she's intelligent?
And Trump got money from his dad to get into business and all hes ever done since then is hire lawyers to keep committing the crimes that have kept him afloat.
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low-propensity voter wrote:
What's the over/under on the time it takes Trump to break Harris? I say 25 minutes.
10 minutes. She's useless w/o a teleprompter & her emotional support running partner.
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Women for Trump wrote:
right wing feces - - wrote:
Nothing different from what we've seen before. Dump will go on incoherent rants launching personal attacks; Kamala will seem boring but only because she has policy ideas and is sane. Right wingers of course will perceive Dump's unhinged, childish attacks as bAsEd and consider this a win, and everyone sane will just see this as a humiliation as usual for the GOP.
When was Trump ever incoherent?
When asked about bringing down prices for childcare last week:
"Well, I would do that. And we’re sitting down – you know, I was somebody – we had – Sen. Marco Rubio and my daughter Ivanka were so impactful on that issue. It’s a very important issue. But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I’m talking about, that – because, look, child care is child care. It’s – couldn’t – you know, it’s something – you have to have it. In this country, you have to have it."
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Here's the rub - we have a reality TV star that has reduced the election to the highest public office in the most powerful country in the world into little more than a mainstream media extravangza, and it is being hosted by a for-profit television station. The entire campaign of one party is dominated by showmanship, untruths, soundbites, lies, demeaning character attacks, and slander.
That's what it has become, and imo, it's a big bunch of BS.
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Tommy2Nuttz wrote:
Women for Trump wrote:
Kamala failed the bar exam her first time - bottom third of her class. Why do you keep pretending she's intelligent?
And Trump got money from his dad to get into business and all hes ever done since then is hire lawyers to keep committing the crimes that have kept him afloat.
He's barely afloat!
That Trump jet is about to repossessed, he can't pay for the fuel & the flight crew works for free. A Mar a Lago membership is peanuts & you can buy the whole resort for $15M Right??
He's barely surviving on his Social Security benefit check too.
Turn off PMSNBC for once in your life and get a clue
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I don't know why people use the term "win" or "lose" in the context of Presidential Debates. These are more like pageants and the objective is to look better to voters than the other candidate in a situation where they're in the same room.
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