The biggest "Whodat?!" I've done this year was 4th: Gracie Morris, only 22 out of Tulsa with a track PR of 4:08.
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Which Nike flat was she wearing? Was that a new Vaporfly or some other road (plated) flat?
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Armstronglivs wrote:
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So you haven't got a credible answer. Figures.
You're an idiot. The 5th fastest mile of all time in college is not good?
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dumbfounded wrote:
The hill hasn’t changed for all the world-class milers that have previously run this race. Were Muir’s road shoes last year as good as Schweizer’s shoes this year? I don’t want to discount the possibility that the shoes keep improving to boost performance.
Shoes for sure, also great weather. Nice blast of cool dry Canadian air for NYC instead of the usual August extension of hot and humid for the start of September. Been that way all week.
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"... never displayed an outstanding kick"
Did you even watch the race? There really wasn't a kick. She just slowly ran away from everyone. It is not like she was racing the field at the Olympic 1500 final. This wasn't exactly a deep field. As far as Simpson... if you have been following along this long you know the shoes allowed on the road are way faster now.
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Ohh Whore wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
So you haven't got a credible answer. Figures.
You're an idiot. The 5th fastest mile of all time in college is not good?
You haven't followed the thread. Her pro career has been all about longer distances.
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founded wrote:
"... never displayed an outstanding kick"
Did you even watch the race? There really wasn't a kick. She just slowly ran away from everyone. It is not like she was racing the field at the Olympic 1500 final. This wasn't exactly a deep field. As far as Simpson... if you have been following along this long you know the shoes allowed on the road are way faster now.
So why wasn't there an exponential jump for everyone else?
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Anyone know the wind direction and speed during the races this weekend? I have a strong suspicion that there was a strong tailwind howling on down the road.
Strange that this tailwind helped Schweizer in a tremendous way, but didn’t seem to help others, like Emily Mackay, who took silver in the 1500m Olympic Trials, nor her Team-Boston teammate, Heather MacLean, even though that Boston group specializes in mid-distance.
For instance, look at Whittni Morgan’s time. Morgan probably has been thought to have better athleticism than Schweizer, and at least as fast over mid-distance. Morgan, when not injured, usually shows up each race running to her potential. She lost by 7 seconds in a 5000m three days ago to Schweizer. So maybe one would figure over a 1609m race, she would maybe lose by 2-3 seconds, at most, to Schweizer. Morgan showed up today and raced well, essentially running the same time as McKay. But Schweizer crushed her by more than eight seconds!
For fans there's always a reason for these kind of performances but never the one that usually explains it.
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wind vein wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
It doesn't work like that where everything favours one runner and all the rest of at least equivalent class bomb.
Unlikely, but it can happen. In her case she's still fairly fresh in her season, while others are winding down.
You probably assume her doping peaked.
If you can assume that you don't have to find desperate arguments to justify the otherwise implausible.
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Ohh Whore wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
So you haven't got a credible answer. Figures.
You're an idiot. The 5th fastest mile of all time in college is not good?
I personally think any times at the Armory are suspect, depending upon where they paint the lines. If she was an exceptional mid-distance collegiate, she would be way up on these lists:
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Armstronglivs wrote:
founded wrote:
"... never displayed an outstanding kick"
Did you even watch the race? There really wasn't a kick. She just slowly ran away from everyone. It is not like she was racing the field at the Olympic 1500 final. This wasn't exactly a deep field. As far as Simpson... if you have been following along this long you know the shoes allowed on the road are way faster now.
So why wasn't there an exponential jump for everyone else?
Who is everyone else?
Your thesis is that Switzer saved all her doping up, didn't use it at the Olympics, not at a DL meet, but unleashed it at the 5th Ave mile? A magic doping program that improved here this much in 5 days? You have to come down to earth sometimes.
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dumbfounded wrote:
Ohh Whore wrote:
You're an idiot. The 5th fastest mile of all time in college is not good?
I personally think any times at the Armory are suspect, depending upon where they paint the lines. If she was an exceptional mid-distance collegiate, she would be way up on these lists:
It is interesting to compare those two lists. One thing that really stands out is how heavily populated the 1500m list is with 2024 times. That is due to at least a couple of things: (1) collegiates do not run the Outdoor Mile as frequently as the 1500m; (2) collegiates got way faster in recent history.
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Armstronglivs wrote:
Ohh Whore wrote:
You're an idiot. The 5th fastest mile of all time in college is not good?
You haven't followed the thread. Her pro career has been all about longer distances.
You asked, and I quote, "So when did she start being good at the mile?"
Has all the drug use messed up your memory?
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dumbfounded wrote:
Ohh Whore wrote:
Man, you're bad at this.
Karissa ran a top 5 fastest mile of all time in college. And then she set the American record in the 3000m.
Are you just butt hurt because Valby is not as good? Or because Valby is not as good looking?
You must be insane, because collegiate Valby would absolutely crush collegiate Schweizer, no contest.
Parker ran a fast mile in college? Do tell, we're waiting for you to show your knowledge.
But only a loser cries about a hypothetical college matchup (from pre-supershoes to post-, even) when they actually met head-to-head. How'd that go for Parker in the Olympics?
Is this just because Parker Valby's teammate just got busted for EPO? You're trying to distract and provide cover by throwing around accusations about everyone else?
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That is usually what I do when I feel deflated by the superior performance of another. I refuse to accept that people younger than me especially can have advantages from both biological and training age, so I usually go with the "must be doping" card devoid of any evidence, allowing me to dismiss the performance, the training, and anything that I might learn from these to improve my own training.
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Trump Vance RFKjr wrote:
Which Nike flat was she wearing? Was that a new Vaporfly or some other road (plated) flat?
This is what she was wearing:
(1) Do you recognize these?
(2) Are they commercially available?(3) I wonder if they might be a double-plated bespoke model?
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what are these shoes? wrote:
Trump Vance RFKjr wrote:
Which Nike flat was she wearing? Was that a new Vaporfly or some other road (plated) flat?
This is what she was wearing:
(1) Do you recognize these?
(2) Are they commercially available?(3) I wonder if they might be a double-plated bespoke model?
these are the streakfly 2 proto
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elite midpacker wrote:
what are these shoes? wrote:
This is what she was wearing:
(1) Do you recognize these?
(2) Are they commercially available?(3) I wonder if they might be a double-plated bespoke model?
these are the streakfly 2 proto
Thanks, I’ll search for them. By “proto”, does that mean they are not commercially available?
Here is a view of the other side:
Some interesting things appear to be going on with the design.
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founded wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
So why wasn't there an exponential jump for everyone else?
Who is everyone else?
Your thesis is that Switzer saved all her doping up, didn't use it at the Olympics, not at a DL meet, but unleashed it at the 5th Ave mile? A magic doping program that improved here this much in 5 days? You have to come down to earth sometimes.
That isn't my thesis, but carry on arguing with yourself.
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Ohh Whore wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
You haven't followed the thread. Her pro career has been all about longer distances.
You asked, and I quote, "So when did she start being good at the mile?"
Has all the drug use messed up your memory?
Being a good collegiate miler - which isn't world class - didn't translate into her professional career. So what has she done since college over that distance? You do know she is 28?
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