Man, what a great year Jake Wightman had in 2022. WC 1500 gold, EC 800 silver, CG 1500 bronze. Scottish records in the 800 (Brussels) where he took down an absolutely loaded field (Sedjati, Korir, Arop, Crestan, Rotich, Tual, Kinyamal, Garcia) and the 1000 (9th all time). Not to mention a DL 1500m win in Rabat and a British 1500m championship. Closed it out with a 5th Avenue win over Hocker, Beamish, and Kerr. Most of that at age 28, too!
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Ngeny's record was set with an absurd 49 first lap. The WR shouldn't be too strong. I think Arop would get it with wavelight if he's in shape.
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mictlantecuhtli wrote:
negative_nelly wrote:
I think he has a great shot if he’s just trying to squeak by the record. If I were his coach I’d want him to try and negative split the whole way.
53-53-26 = 2:12
If Arop goes a hair inside any of those splits he’ll beat the record.
200m: 23.8~
300m: 36.8
400m: 49.66 (25.86 second 200m)
600m: 1:16.7
800m: 1:44.6 (54.94 second lap)
1000m: 27.2 (55.2~ last lap from 600m to 1000m)
edit: I remember someone mentioning Kessler would be taking a shot at the AR in this race. Anyone know what happened to that? Just a random rumor?I still can't wrap my head around those splits, probably never will. Wonder what he would've done in Athen, had he not got into that car accident.
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mictlantecuhtli wrote:
negative_nelly wrote:
I think he has a great shot if he’s just trying to squeak by the record. If I were his coach I’d want him to try and negative split the whole way.
53-53-26 = 2:12
If Arop goes a hair inside any of those splits he’ll beat the record.
200m: 23.8~
300m: 36.8
400m: 49.66 (25.86 second 200m)
600m: 1:16.7
800m: 1:44.6 (54.94 second lap)
1000m: 27.2 (55.2~ last lap from 600m to 1000m)
edit: I remember someone mentioning Kessler would be taking a shot at the AR in this race. Anyone know what happened to that? Just a random rumor?Wow, pacers were atrocious back then.. 23,8 and 49,66 are just plain stupid splits
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FangYouTang wrote:
Arop is 2 seconds faster over 800 than when he ran his best time. Also, he acted as the pacer in that race, so his splits were not optimal. I don't know if he can get that record, but he should get into the 2:12 range if the first lap isn't too fast.
Yep. He already ran 2:14 in 2022, when he ran 1:43 in the 800. This year a lot has changed, he is better. But I always wonder how you can keep the motivation and excitement going into September after the Olympics.
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Jake Wightman destroyed him over 1000m a couple of years ago.
But with the baking powder, you never know.
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Coevett wrote:
Jake Wightman destroyed him over 1000m a couple of years ago.
But with the baking powder, you never know.
When Arop was pacing…You’ll also recall in the DL final, Arop made Wightman look like a JV runner with a scorching move at 300 to go. If you’re being honest…
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Jake Wightman destroyed him over 1000m a couple of years ago.
But with the baking powder, you never know.
When Arop was pacing…You’ll also recall in the DL final, Arop made Wightman look like a JV runner with a scorching move at 300 to go. If you’re being honest…
If you are honest...
You KNOW you are talking to a dishonest liar.
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The WR pace will be
Pace: 400m - 51.0 | 500m - 1:03.05 | 600m - 1:16.5 Target: 2:11.8 World Record .
This I believe is not ideal for Arop. Unless he believes he is in great shape. And this is just the prep for the main task on Saturday in Brussels.
His paced 800M PB is 51.1, 50.1 a negative split.
This WR pace will need a positive split 51,53,27.8. This is doable with a strong first lap . Which Arop has not shown.
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jake2022 wrote:
Man, what a great year Jake Wightman had in 2022. WC 1500 gold, EC 800 silver, CG 1500 bronze. Scottish records in the 800 (Brussels) where he took down an absolutely loaded field (Sedjati, Korir, Arop, Crestan, Rotich, Tual, Kinyamal, Garcia) and the 1000 (9th all time). Not to mention a DL 1500m win in Rabat and a British 1500m championship. Closed it out with a 5th Avenue win over Hocker, Beamish, and Kerr. Most of that at age 28, too!
It reminds me very much of David Moorcroft in 1982 who, after being good for a number of years, had a breakout season at 29 in which he was great for a few months(world 5000 record, number 2 all-time 3000, sub 3:50 mile), but unfortunately injuries and illness prevented him from ever reaching that level again. Hopefully Wightman can get back to the top ranks again.
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It is possible but ... wrote:
FangYouTang wrote:
Arop is 2 seconds faster over 800 than when he ran his best time. Also, he acted as the pacer in that race, so his splits were not optimal. I don't know if he can get that record, but he should get into the 2:12 range if the first lap isn't too fast.
Yep. He already ran 2:14 in 2022, when he ran 1:43 in the 800. This year a lot has changed, he is better. But I always wonder how you can keep the motivation and excitement going into September after the Olympics.
It's a good point, but Arop didn't do a lot of competitions before the Olympics and I think his breakthrough at the Olympics seems to have fired him up to go for some fast times. The way he is talking seems to indicate that he is still motivated. He may be thinking that he needs to take advantage of his form at the moment because you never know if you'll get it back.
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Of course it does so long as he doesn’t go out in 50.
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Cooper Teare 2k American Record watch.
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Kyle Filman wrote:
Cooper Teare 2k American Record watch.
If he gets it, that would be the longest distance for North American record held by a non Canadian born athlete
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Noah the Cheat wrote:
Ngeny was doped out of his gourd and everyone knows it. Look at his results in open 800 races. Filthy cheat.
Flawed logic. In 1999, he didn’t run any 800s after coming to Europe. In 2000, sure he ran some but one was a 1:44.49 win right after Kenyan Trials and the other was a middling 1:44.8 performance before Sydney in a 1:43.79 race at Monaco. He’d just run two good runner-ups in the 1500/mile with 3:47.67 and 3:28.12. He ran a high number of 1000s at a higher level both before and after the record instead of attacking maximal 800s.
Additionally, to be fair to Ngeny despite the doping suspicions, he had his serious car crash the very next year and then was never the same afterwards, so he didn’t have the same breadth of opportunities as other athletes on the all-time 1k record list.
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Nelly Chepchirchir wins again in another PB, 1:57.00. Sage Hurta Klecker nice PB of 1:57.53 - finished pretty strongly but couldn’t quite move into better than 4th.
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when is this race?
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World Records, seconds under 60-second pace:
200m: 10.81
400m: 16.97
600m: 17.19
800m: 19.09
1000m: 18.04
1500m: 19.00
2000m: 16.87
3000m: 12.45The "expected" behavior is for the gap to grow smoothly until it reaches a certain point and then reverse. For short races, the distance is too short to get very much under 60-second pace. For long races, the pace catches up to you.
You can see that this is basically what happens, with the margin getting bigger, stabilizing around 800-1500, and then decreasing. But the 1000m margin is slightly less than either of the surronding distances.
All of this is to say that, while an excellent record, the 1000m is (perhaps unsurprisingly) weaker than the 800m record and the 1500m record. In other words, it's ripe to fall to an outstanding athlete like Arop. The race will have to go perfectly, of course, and that usually doesn't happen. But if it does, we could see something very big.
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