Can hear it immediately following the race... makes sense, he's always bagging on people for not racing. Respects Cole getting back out there, especially after the race of his life.
That was how I took it. It was two pronged. Jakob respects Hocker because he knows Hocker will show up more frequently than Kerr does. That led to the brief chat and hand clasping.
However, there is a second equally important element. On a race to race basis Jakob doesn't fret Hocker. Today's result will confirm that to him. Kerr gives Jakob more trouble because knows Kerr with cling to him and out finish him. Hence the strategy in Paris. If Kerr didn't exist Jakob wouldn't have felt the need to run it that way.
Jakob will view Hocker as a more erratic occasional threat but not somebody who forces him to alter race tactics or forces him to check the big screen or look over the shoulder.
Because he’s actually not really all that exceptional by historical standards. In the ‘super shoe’ era, the times are probably at least 3 or 4 seconds faster. So his 3:26 might really be closer to 3:30 pre super shoes….
The guy who ran 3:31 at age 17 in 2018 without superspikes is actually still only a 3:30 guy with superspikes several years later... yep checks out.
Or Cheruiyot running 3:28 / 3:29 pre superspikes but when he gets superspikes he doesn't go any faster so he actually got 4 seconds slower for some reason, INSANE logic you got there man.
Yes to everything you just said…. YES Jakob went from 3:31 without super spikes to 3:30 (adjusted for superspikes). I.e., he hasn’t really improved much since he was a teenager… (Side note: to be fair, the tougher anti-doping measures are obscuring things a bit here… think about it… over the past 40 years, how many of those sub 3:30 guys do you REALLY think are clean??? El G??? Morcelli? Makloufi? Kiprop?). Anyway, I stand by my premise: Jakob is a 3:30 guy pre super shoes… are you really going to honestly say the super shoes are not impacting the times?
Oh, and yes, Cheriot actually getting slower (adjusted for super shoes)? Yep - I stand by that as well.
You can deny it and down vote it if you like, but don’t be naive.
BTW, Fun Fact: His only global title in the 1500m in Tokyo: he didn’t lead a single step of the race till the last 120 meters… heh… go figure!
Why does this detract from him, and not from any of his competitors? Also - he has been at the podium in three of the four latest big finals, does that makes everyone else even bigger losers? Or is "losing" a weird thing to say about someone winning medals.
congrats but you’re missing the point you naive dimwit.
The guy who ran 3:31 at age 17 in 2018 without superspikes is actually still only a 3:30 guy with superspikes several years later... yep checks out.
Or Cheruiyot running 3:28 / 3:29 pre superspikes but when he gets superspikes he doesn't go any faster so he actually got 4 seconds slower for some reason, INSANE logic you got there man.
Yes to everything you just said…. YES Jakob went from 3:31 without super spikes to 3:30 (adjusted for superspikes). I.e., he hasn’t really improved much since he was a teenager… (Side note: to be fair, the tougher anti-doping measures are obscuring things a bit here… think about it… over the past 40 years, how many of those sub 3:30 guys do you REALLY think are clean??? El G??? Morcelli? Makloufi? Kiprop?). Anyway, I stand by my premise: Jakob is a 3:30 guy pre super shoes… are you really going to honestly say the super shoes are not impacting the times?
Oh, and yes, Cheriot actually getting slower (adjusted for super shoes)? Yep - I stand by that as well.
You can deny it and down vote it if you like, but don’t be naive.
I have no idea why I'm even entertaining such stupid logic.
But if his "pre superspike" conversion has only improved by 1 second (went from a 3:31 to 3:30), then how did his "post superspike" time improve so much (going from 3:30 to 3:26 in the past 4 years)? You make absolutely no sense.
The guy who ran 3:31 at age 17 in 2018 without superspikes is actually still only a 3:30 guy with superspikes several years later... yep checks out.
Or Cheruiyot running 3:28 / 3:29 pre superspikes but when he gets superspikes he doesn't go any faster so he actually got 4 seconds slower for some reason, INSANE logic you got there man.
lol, wrecked
Wrecked? LOL I think the only thing wrecked is Jacob’s ego after getting railed by five guys in four global finals.
Yes to everything you just said…. YES Jakob went from 3:31 without super spikes to 3:30 (adjusted for superspikes). I.e., he hasn’t really improved much since he was a teenager… (Side note: to be fair, the tougher anti-doping measures are obscuring things a bit here… think about it… over the past 40 years, how many of those sub 3:30 guys do you REALLY think are clean??? El G??? Morcelli? Makloufi? Kiprop?). Anyway, I stand by my premise: Jakob is a 3:30 guy pre super shoes… are you really going to honestly say the super shoes are not impacting the times?
Oh, and yes, Cheriot actually getting slower (adjusted for super shoes)? Yep - I stand by that as well.
You can deny it and down vote it if you like, but don’t be naive.
I have no idea why I'm even entertaining such stupid logic.
But if his "pre superspike" conversion has only improved by 1 second (went from a 3:31 to 3:30), then how did his "post superspike" time improve so much (going from 3:30 to 3:26 in the past 4 years)? You make absolutely no sense.
Can you please elaborate on what you’re struggling with here? We’re dealing with very few datapoints so the ‘post super spike’ 3:30 might not be a reliable datapoint… maybe he was just getting used to the superspikes? Maybe he was sick with the flu/covid when he ‘only’ ran 3:30. Maybe improvements are not linear. Lots of noise in the data.
Bottom line: are you saying that 3:26 in old school spikes is the same as 3:26 in superspikes? Don’t be naive.
Can hear it immediately following the race... makes sense, he's always bagging on people for not racing. Respects Cole getting back out there, especially after the race of his life.
That was how I took it. It was two pronged. Jakob respects Hocker because he knows Hocker will show up more frequently than Kerr does. That led to the brief chat and hand clasping.
However, there is a second equally important element. On a race to race basis Jakob doesn't fret Hocker. Today's result will confirm that to him. Kerr gives Jakob more trouble because knows Kerr with cling to him and out finish him. Hence the strategy in Paris. If Kerr didn't exist Jakob wouldn't have felt the need to run it that way.
Jakob will view Hocker as a more erratic occasional threat but not somebody who forces him to alter race tactics or forces him to check the big screen or look over the shoulder.
I think Jakob is probably maturing a bit now that he’s been humbled for the fourth time and he’s realising that he needs to be more gracious.
Can hear it immediately following the race... makes sense, he's always bagging on people for not racing. Respects Cole getting back out there, especially after the race of his life.
That was how I took it. It was two pronged. Jakob respects Hocker because he knows Hocker will show up more frequently than Kerr does. That led to the brief chat and hand clasping.
However, there is a second equally important element. On a race to race basis Jakob doesn't fret Hocker. Today's result will confirm that to him. Kerr gives Jakob more trouble because knows Kerr with cling to him and out finish him. Hence the strategy in Paris. If Kerr didn't exist Jakob wouldn't have felt the need to run it that way.
Jakob will view Hocker as a more erratic occasional threat but not somebody who forces him to alter race tactics or forces him to check the big screen or look over the shoulder.
That's a sound analysis . Kerr has become a real stone in his shoe , that he badly needs to beat in Zurich . Trouble is ,he knows Kerr will only show up if he thinks he'll win . Which puts the pressure back on JI
That was how I took it. It was two pronged. Jakob respects Hocker because he knows Hocker will show up more frequently than Kerr does. That led to the brief chat and hand clasping.
However, there is a second equally important element. On a race to race basis Jakob doesn't fret Hocker. Today's result will confirm that to him. Kerr gives Jakob more trouble because knows Kerr with cling to him and out finish him. Hence the strategy in Paris. If Kerr didn't exist Jakob wouldn't have felt the need to run it that way.
Jakob will view Hocker as a more erratic occasional threat but not somebody who forces him to alter race tactics or forces him to check the big screen or look over the shoulder.
You must have missed the moment with about 200m left in the race when Jakob looked at the big screen to see who was behind him. The announcer commented on it. You can see it at about the 4:55 mark in this video.
Jakob also saved a bit for the end of the race today, clearly aware of the legitimate threat that Hocker posed to him if Hocker was at his best today like he was in Paris.
That was how I took it. It was two pronged. Jakob respects Hocker because he knows Hocker will show up more frequently than Kerr does. That led to the brief chat and hand clasping.
However, there is a second equally important element. On a race to race basis Jakob doesn't fret Hocker. Today's result will confirm that to him. Kerr gives Jakob more trouble because knows Kerr with cling to him and out finish him. Hence the strategy in Paris. If Kerr didn't exist Jakob wouldn't have felt the need to run it that way.
Jakob will view Hocker as a more erratic occasional threat but not somebody who forces him to alter race tactics or forces him to check the big screen or look over the shoulder.
That's a sound analysis . Kerr has become a real stone in his shoe , that he badly needs to beat in Zurich . Trouble is ,he knows Kerr will only show up if he thinks he'll win . Which puts the pressure back on JI
The ‘stone’ in Jacob’s shoe is not just one person. It’s the fact that - while he’s good at posting fast times in tightly controlled paced time trials - he can’t win a tactical global final because his competitors have him figured out.
He was right… Kerr is just the ‘next guy’. Before that it was Jake. After Kerr it was Hock Tuah and Yared. Who’s next?
Anyone catch what he said? My Aunt is deaf and reads lips and she couldn't make it out.
Give your thoughts here.
I’m honestly baffled by why people put Jakob on such a pedestal when it comes to the 1500m. He certainly deserves respect for his 2020/2021 Olympic gold and his WC/Oly 5000m golds. But he’s now been favorite to win the last four 1500m global finals, and has lost every single time in very predictable fashion - first Tefera, then Weightman, then Kerr, and now Hocker/Kerr/Neguse. 5 different guys have humiliated him on the biggest stage in our sport.
Why do I say ‘predictable’? Because he’s actually not really all that exceptional by historical standards. In the ‘super shoe’ era, the times are probably at least 3 or 4 seconds faster. So his 3:26 might really be closer to 3:30 pre super shoes….
So I ask you this hypothetical question…. Jakob basically ran a 3:28 in Paris from the front… same thing in Budapest… same as Eugene. In the pre super shoe era, that’s a 3:30 or 3:31 at best. Question: At any point over the last 40 years (since the early 80s) if you gathered all the world’s best 1500m runners together and said “hey, next year at the WC/Olympics, this guy is going to run from the gun a perfectly even 3:30 / 3:31 pace…. How often in the last 40 years do you think a 3:30/3:31 would win? (again, to be clear, everyone in the field knows excatly how the guy is going to run and have all year to prepare for it!!)
I would venture to say that the 3:30 / 3:31 runner would probably never win. There’s always going to be on or two or even a few guys in the world who can just hunt him down and out kick him. And that’s what we’re seeing with Jakob.
He’s a great 1500m time trialer. And a true champion at 5000m. And his arrogant persona is entertaining and great for the sport. But I just can’t understand why people are so infatuated with him as a 1500m runner when he gets humiliated so often. Is it just because we love watching him lose?
BTW, Fun Fact: His only global title in the 1500m in Tokyo: he didn’t lead a single step of the race till the last 120 meters… heh… go figure!
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