Hang on. Am I missing something, or is this saying that Justyna Swiety-Ersetic was on METH??
Editor's Note: Poland's anti-doping authorities have issued a statement that claims that the documents linking Polish athletes to doping are "fake," saying, "Fake news discrediting Polish athletes appeared in the public space. None of the mentioned athletes obtained a positive result and none of the dates presented correspond to anti-doping controls."
Hang on. Am I missing something, or is this saying that Justyna Swiety-Ersetic was on METH??
Not a big scandal. Poland and different kinds of sports (not just T&F). Look at NHL, NFL, NBA, etc. They simply do care much about USADA, and USADA does not monitor/control them tough as it all is in-house big business. To say nothing about WADA, it is sent to hell in advance.
I'll take this with a grain of salt until confirmed with reliable sources.
There are too many bad actors with ulterior motives and capabilities(Russia, N Korea, Belarus) to spread false information.
Meth Mama Ersetic wrote:
This is borderline ethical on part of the hackers. Let's hope they take a look at other countries too.
Well we know we will dismiss if it includes an American athlete we like.
I love catching dopers and uncovering corruption as anyone else, but I have real doubts as to the authenticity of the list. For example, why was Lewandowski tested while he was playing in Germany for Bayern Munich by Polish officials? It doesn't quite make sense.
Robert Dopandowski wrote:
So apparently some hackers tool down POLADA (Polish anti doping agency) and got many big names who tested positive but never where banned.
Names include:
Robert Lewandowski (soccer- Stanozolol - 12.03.2022)
Iga Swiatek (tennis- Epo - 05.07.2021)
Piotr Zyla (ski jumping- Amphetamine- 18.09.2022)
Anita Wlodarczyk (hammer throw- methylhexanamine (stimulant)- 29.11.2021)
Bartosz Kurek (volleyball - cocaine- 03.02.23)
Patryk Dobek (800m- clenbuterol - 30.07.2022)
Woyciech Nowitzki (hammer throw- Meldonium- 9.1.2022)
Justyna Swiety-Ersetic (400m- Methamphetamine - 22.04.2023)
Maciej Kot (ski jumping- testosterone- 07.08.2021)
Maria Andrejczyk (javelin- furosemide (masking agent)- 14.06.2022
The leaks where originally published via Telegram, but there are Tweets about it (Account name: e-Tour de Dope).
if anyone wants to fact check they just need to google: POLADA hack than you find many results.
thank God my queen Natalia Kaczmarek isn't implicated.
The biggest testosterone cheats at the Olympics were the two men competing in women's boxing. If you're a woman who cheats with testosterone, you're banned. If you're a male, with a male level of testosterone, who says he's a female, you're welcomed and pitied as a victim, even when you beat hell out of the women boxers.
Memories of the 2016 FancyBears leak, which resulted in absolutely nothing changing
Still waiting on a statement from WADA or AIU about it a decade later
look closer wrote:
I love catching dopers and uncovering corruption as anyone else, but I have real doubts as to the authenticity of the list. For example, why was Lewandowski tested while he was playing in Germany for Bayern Munich by Polish officials? It doesn't quite make sense.
Probably for National team matches.
runnER/DR wrote:
I'll take this with a grain of salt until confirmed with reliable sources.
There are too many bad actors with ulterior motives and capabilities(Russia, N Korea, Belarus) to spread false information.
I actually do believe this list. You would expect a list like this to at least contain some high profile athletes, and they would test positive for a variety of different substances, some of which are recreational and some of which may be perfectly fine out-of-competition. We see a variety of steroids, testosterone, stimulants, and maskers, and even meth and cocaine! On a list like this, there would also be high profile athletes missing because they have never tested positive and may be completely clean (Lewandowski the runner, Romzys, Swoboda, Kaczmerak). True or not, at the very least it's interesting, just like the Fancy Bears hack from way back when (which, after time, seems to be pretty darn accurate).
odsifjoacav wrote:
Hang on. Am I missing something, or is this saying that Justyna Swiety-Ersetic was on METH??
Yup. It can actually be found in prescriptions for ADHD, and I don't think this would count as a positive test if it was out-of-competition. Either that, or Poland has their own equivalent to Appalachia!
look closer wrote:
I love catching dopers and uncovering corruption as anyone else, but I have real doubts as to the authenticity of the list. For example, why was Lewandowski tested while he was playing in Germany for Bayern Munich by Polish officials? It doesn't quite make sense.
Why not?
The German NADA conducts their own test in (amongst other places) Florida and South Africa.
NERunner03533 wrote:
None of these are TUEs? All federations covering for athletes? I don't get it so there's a paper trail but no ban? What's the official stated position? Couldn't confirm the tests.
Dobek got popped for clenbuterol. A triathlete just got popped for that & it's apparently a big masking agent so likely on all sorts of things. That's one where you can get the cycle wrong.
Yea, this strikes me as some kind of coordinated action on the part of the sporting authorities. Either Polish agencies are just sweeping at these positives under the rug or there is systematic doping in Polish sports.
odsifjoacav wrote:
Hang on. Am I missing something, or is this saying that Justyna Swiety-Ersetic was on METH??
That would not be the first case, on the top of my head a handball player for the German league tested positive for Meth in april this year.
Luvo Manyonga from South Africa, former World champion & Olympic silver medallist in the long Jump tested positive for it.
Also people need to understand, how antidoping works, it does not matter if the said athlete was not in his country the day the sample was collected, the agency who asks for the tests and the one who collects it can be different.
If athlete "A" from country "A", travels to country "B", "A-ADA" (his NADO) can ask "B-ADA" to collect the sample on its behalf, but at the end the test will still recognized as an "A-ADA" test.
Swiatek has been outspoken in her support for Ukraine in the war with Russia. So Russia would have a real motive to smear her reputation. Wada and ITF are the testing agencies. So if Swiatek tested positive, Poland could not cover up a positive test since they don't do the testing.
Dobek checks out to me, dude is running his old 400 hurdles times in flat 400s now.
It's an obvious lie. I actually saw the files and there is nothing special. Yes, doping protocols, some minor accidents (like some missed tests), a lot of private files. That's all. In reality, Poland is the member of EU and sport here is much cleaner than in a country like USA, where you have legal steroids available in the open market. And runners (remember Hesch?) may go to Mexico everytime they want and buy everything they need. European market is much more controlled. In reality, these leaked files show that POLADA works better than expected and every doubt is investigated to an absurd level.
Mariah Carey wrote:
A few years ago a friend sent me a pic of a ripped Lewy and she was like wow for an older guy. I was like obviously doping.
Soccer covers up all its doping except the occasional sacrificial lamb like Pogba or Onana.
Don't follow soccer but pretty sure I'm more ripped than that guy and I'm in my 60s and have always been 100% clean. Some people are like that.
No surprise about Swiatek. She happily cheats on the court in front of the crowd (toilet breaks, waving her hands at the net etc.). Her behaviour after she lost at the Olympics is her real character. She also has a very physical playing style and hits her forehand with more topspin than most male players. Sabalenka is another obvious cheat.
And some things about Patryk Dobek, because, as usual, nobody here knows anything. The guy was injured and had a newborn baby right after Tokyo. He is a family guy and didn't want to travel for sport camps, he splits with his old trainer. He did not have too much motivation for training/racing, because in Poland we have a system, where olympic medallists may retire after 40, with nice retirement plan. And he is a soldier. He tries to train for 400/800, but only part-time, trying to have regular family life, what is not easy, maybe impossible. That's all.
As for Kaczmarek, she is getting married soon, with a shot putter Konrad Bukowiecki. Not a chance for an incel-booy from letsrun.