I don't know if Rupp doped or not and maybe I'm misunderstanding your point but is it your contention that Rupp was a doper and using his frequent testing and lack of failed tests as evidence?
My "contention" is that Travis Tygart gave Galen Rupp immunity to dope in exchange for information about NOP and Salazar. Rupp doesn't so much as even have a single positive test for cold medicine after all the thousands of tests Tygart and USADA have given him spanning decades.
So, yes, you think Rupp was a doper. And you think he failed tests and not only were those failed tests ignored but he was given immunity to continue doping ("Tygart gave Galen Rupp immunity to dope")? Sounds like a bit of a stretch to me but it's possible you're correct.
Ummmmmm ever heard of Jordan Hasay? Have you ever seen a bigger case of a mid packer moving up to the marathon, crushing it for about 2-3 races and falling off the face of the earth? That 2:20 at Chicago is what happens when you get the green light from USADA to do whatever you want, and then once they brought down NOP the deal was off the table, subsequently back to the 1:10-1:14 halfs and 2:30-2:35 Marys.
In one case, an elite level athlete, who competed at Olympic qualifier and international events in the United States, admitted to taking steroids and EPO yet was permitted to continue competing all the way up to retirement. Their case was never published, results never disqualified, prize money never returned, and no suspension ever served. The athlete was allowed to line up against their unknowing competitors as if they had never cheated.
ok now that they have retired, tell us who it is.
I'm torn on this. Their results being wiped would be the fair thing. But what if they actually would be in danger because of who they narc'd on.
In one case, an elite level athlete, who competed at Olympic qualifier and international events in the United States, admitted to taking steroids and EPO yet was permitted to continue competing all the way up to retirement. Their case was never published, results never disqualified, prize money never returned, and no suspension ever served. The athlete was allowed to line up against their unknowing competitors as if they had never cheated.
ok now that they have retired, tell us who it is.
I'm torn on this. Their results being wiped would be the fair thing. But what if they actually would be in danger because of who they narc'd on.
I mean the person who did the most to take down NOP was Kara Goucher. I don't think that is true but if it was, given how big of an anti-doper she is, it'd be absolutely hilarious.
So the rumors all these years about Travis Tygart and the USADA intentionally hiding positive PED tests of American dopers are true, WADA found out about some of them and clearly does not like Travis Tygart......
The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) says U.S. agency USADA broke the global code by letting several athletes it had caught between 2011 and 2014 violating drugs rules go undercover and keep on competing without prosecution in exchange for information on other violators.
USADA says the tactic is necessary and allowed, and wants to keep using it. WADA says it is against its code and that athletes caught breaking doping rules should not get to line up in races, potentially winning prize money and medals, without first being publicly prosecuted and sanctioned.
The two agencies are also embroiled in dispute over the global system for policing doping in sport, sparked by the case of 23 Chinese swimmers which has cast a shadow over the Paris Olympics.
"WADA is now aware of at least three cases where athletes who had committed serious anti-doping rule violations were allowed to continue to compete for years while they acted as undercover agents for USADA, without it notifying WADA and without there being any provision allowing such a practice under the (global) code or USADA's own rules," WADA said in a statement to Reuters.
Whether you agree or disagree with the tactic, it’s not the big revelation WADA makes it appear to be. It’s a choice, just like drug agencies use the low level user or dealer to get the big one. Same thing occurred here.
It's not really the same thing. Here, the dopers are being sent out to continue to hurt innocent people by competing against them.
By contrast, when criminal investigators get a confidential informant, one of the most important terms of the deal is always that the informant can't commit any other crimes, with narrow exceptions such as controlled buys that are supervised by the investigating agency. (I know because my wife was a federal prosecutor specializing in drug gangs.)
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In one case, an elite level athlete, who competed at Olympic qualifier and international events in the United States, admitted to taking steroids and EPO yet was permitted to continue competing all the way up to retirement. Their case was never published, results never disqualified, prize money never returned, and no suspension ever served. The athlete was allowed to line up against their unknowing competitors as if they had never cheated.
ok now that they have retired, tell us who it is.
Call me crazy - could this be Lopez Lomong? He retired exceptionally quietly, almost fell of the face of the earth a few years back. Always found it a bit strange. Of course, he actually qualified for the Olympics... hope the name comes out some day
"Olympic qualifier and international events in the United States" makes it sound like they competed at the Trials and at US races with international athletes, but not outside of the US. It wouldn't be as bad if they only offered it to people who weren't good enough to represent the US internationally, if it was used to catch people that were good enough to represent the US internationally. Still, I don't like it.
I'm torn on this. Their results being wiped would be the fair thing. But what if they actually would be in danger because of who they narc'd on.
I mean the person who did the most to take down NOP was Kara Goucher. I don't think that is true but if it was, given how big of an anti-doper she is, it'd be absolutely hilarious.
She only became a big anti-doping advocate after she got sexually assaulted by Alberto.
This is so fascinating! I could see USADA using a strategy of finding an athlete who is no longer at the top of his event, and threatening to expose him and drag his name through the mud unless he delivers as an informant. So I picture a BTC athlete past his prime, agrees to pull a Judas on Shelby. One day, he makes a call to his contact at USADA saying Shelby used to have four vials of nandralone in the fridge and now has three — test her immediately. Of course the informant athlete is someone who has access to the fridge because he also has vials there. And USADA knows when to show up and what to test for, and knows not to accept any talk about false positives, because they have her own teammate as a witness and the blood test is just confirmation.
One thing that makes sense to me, is that working it that way is a good logical strategy after no smoking gun at Nike Oregon Project. From what Kara Goucher says, she wasn’t in a position to know who was doping with what, and when to test them. She was outside the loop and couldn’t bring anyone down, for doping anyways.
So you can picture why USADA needs their Judas, and needs him to retire quietly with a good reputation.
This is so fascinating! I could see USADA using a strategy of finding an athlete who is no longer at the top of his event, and threatening to expose him and drag his name through the mud unless he delivers as an informant. So I picture a BTC athlete past his prime, agrees to pull a Judas on Shelby. One day, he makes a call to his contact at USADA saying Shelby used to have four vials of nandralone in the fridge and now has three — test her immediately. Of course the informant athlete is someone who has access to the fridge because he also has vials there. And USADA knows when to show up and what to test for, and knows not to accept any talk about false positives, because they have her own teammate as a witness and the blood test is just confirmation.
One thing that makes sense to me, is that working it that way is a good logical strategy after no smoking gun at Nike Oregon Project. From what Kara Goucher says, she wasn’t in a position to know who was doping with what, and when to test them. She was outside the loop and couldn’t bring anyone down, for doping anyways.
So you can picture why USADA needs their Judas, and needs him to retire quietly with a good reputation.
This is so fascinating! I could see USADA using a strategy of finding an athlete who is no longer at the top of his event, and threatening to expose him and drag his name through the mud unless he delivers as an informant. So I picture a BTC athlete past his prime, agrees to pull a Judas on Shelby. One day, he makes a call to his contact at USADA saying Shelby used to have four vials of nandralone in the fridge and now has three — test her immediately. Of course the informant athlete is someone who has access to the fridge because he also has vials there. And USADA knows when to show up and what to test for, and knows not to accept any talk about false positives, because they have her own teammate as a witness and the blood test is just confirmation.
One thing that makes sense to me, is that working it that way is a good logical strategy after no smoking gun at Nike Oregon Project. From what Kara Goucher says, she wasn’t in a position to know who was doping with what, and when to test them. She was outside the loop and couldn’t bring anyone down, for doping anyways.
So you can picture why USADA needs their Judas, and needs him to retire quietly with a good reputation.
Call me crazy - could this be Lopez Lomong? He retired exceptionally quietly, almost fell of the face of the earth a few years back. Always found it a bit strange. Of course, he actually qualified for the Olympics... hope the name comes out some day
"Olympic qualifier and international events in the United States" makes it sound like they competed at the Trials and at US races with international athletes, but not outside of the US. It wouldn't be as bad if they only offered it to people who weren't good enough to represent the US internationally, if it was used to catch people that were good enough to represent the US internationally. Still, I don't like it.
I think the phrasing of “competed in Olympic qualifier and international events in the United States” very strongly implies that this person never made an Olympic team. It also implies they never made a world’s team, but that’s a little more open to interpretation. If they made 2016 World Indoor in Portland or 2022 World’s in Eugene those would be “international events in the United States”.
On the other hand, if this person made a world championship team, WADA might just go out and say that.
I think it is pretty unlikely that this is someone well known, even among the very plugged-in people on this message board.
You guys are going to be so disappointed when the name finally comes out and it is a nobody sprinter.
Thinking it through a little more: I think it’s more likely a marathoner. “International events in the United States” is a bit of an odd phrase. Is NCAA’s an “international event?” Is the Diamond League? How many foreign athletes before a meet becomes international?
The US major marathons definitely qualify though. I don’t like accusing any individual athletes of doping without evidence, so I won’t speculate as to who, but I think the marathon is the place to look here.