That version wouldn’t have won in Tokyo or Eugene. So I don’t understand what point you are making. Is Tim even in that fitness right now?
You are wrong. You have never watched the race. Took it from the gun in 1:51 and continued. Educate yourself kid.
Tokyo and Eugene were won in faster times? Why are you resorting to personal attacks lol. If Tim had employed that strategy at either of the other two championships he would have lost.
You are wrong. You have never watched the race. Took it from the gun in 1:51 and continued. Educate yourself kid.
Tokyo and Eugene were won in faster times? Why are you resorting to personal attacks lol. If Tim had employed that strategy at either of the other two championships he would have lost.
It was his fitness. Tim went out in 1:51 and ran 3:29.26 by himself. It is the greatest global championship 1500m we have ever seen.
That version wouldn’t have won in Tokyo or Eugene. So I don’t understand what point you are making. Is Tim even in that fitness right now?
2019 Tim certainly could’ve won in Eugene. Tokyo who knows, but if you were observing Tim all year he was having trouble kicking and starting races especially with rounds. He’s not at that level currently, so you’re right that it’s not really relevant. People will hang up on the final time but look how fast he went out and also being unchallenged the entire way.
Tokyo and Eugene were won in faster times? Why are you resorting to personal attacks lol. If Tim had employed that strategy at either of the other two championships he would have lost.
It was his fitness. Tim went out in 1:51 and ran 3:29.26 by himself. It is the greatest global championship 1500m we have ever seen.
I agree with you here, but I thought the subject was Paris. I don’t think Tim is close to this level of fitness so he is at best probably getting Bronze unless Jakob or Kerr have a horrible day.
Tim would be foolish to try it again. Tim taking the lead and pushing the pace would just help Jakob win again just like in Tokyo. It’s literally the only way that Jakob can win.
It was his fitness. Tim went out in 1:51 and ran 3:29.26 by himself. It is the greatest global championship 1500m we have ever seen.
I agree with you here, but I thought the subject was Paris. I don’t think Tim is close to this level of fitness so he is at best probably getting Bronze unless Jakob or Kerr have a horrible day.
Yeah it is true that Timothy has not shown that kind of fitness since. I just brought it up because the thread is about him. But yeah it is rather unlikely we will ever see that version of Tim again. He was something else that day.
That version wouldn’t have won in Tokyo or Eugene. So I don’t understand what point you are making. Is Tim even in that fitness right now?
2019 Tim certainly could’ve won in Eugene. Tokyo who knows, but if you were observing Tim all year he was having trouble kicking and starting races especially with rounds. He’s not at that level currently, so you’re right that it’s not really relevant. People will hang up on the final time but look how fast he went out and also being unchallenged the entire way.
Maybe…fitness wise though I personally think more-so that Jakob completely fumbled his own race in Eugene. Ran the first 700m with almost every curve in lane 2. He went through 700m in 1:37.69 but probably went through in 1:35-1:36 and had nothing left at the end to respond to Wightman.
Giles clipped Kerr in the backstraight too, which is why Kerr suddenly went backwards, then managed to gather himself again in the home straight before being brought down.
Given Pattison has run 1:42 since then, both Kerr and Burgin's performances look even more impressive. I honestly don't see how Jakob beats Kerr, assuming Kerr didn't miss any training because of that fall.
Yes correct, you are so honest here darling!!!!!
Give Josh Kerr the darn gold medal right now already!!!!!! I just can't wait for it enough...
All this talk is hyping up Kerr vs. Ingebrigtsen when Cheruiyot ran a 3:28 two weeks ago. Assuming Ingebrigtsen will take out the race fast, I think he has a real shot at gold.
Thoughts?
Because he has zero chance. Not fast enough to out kick Jakob even if Jakob leads. Kick isn’t good enough to beat a lot of people if it’s slower
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Still harping on Manangois whereabouts violations despite Tim’s PB coming in 2021 through a balky hamstring. And throwing out doping allegations haphazardly for a well-respected athlete
I thought the question was whether Tim is in the same shape today as he was in Doha 2019.
Tim and Manangoi continued to train together while Manangoi was suspended (contrary to AIU rules which should have seen Tim and others in the Rongei camp suspended). Manangoi posted on Social Media pictures of himself training with Tim (and El K posted them here).
Whether or not you cling to the belief that not only is Tim clean, but Manangoi was too, the objective fact is that Tim benefited from having a training partner who was as fast or faster than himself, and who was then suspended under anti-doping rules.
Tim developed a 'baulky hamstring' as soon as Manangoi was banned. Just as Manangoi's little brother, who had beaten Jakob in the World Juniors, suddenly dropped off a cliff and then ran away and joined the army.
Not to mention all those up-and coming other world beating talents that Rongei was producing that have disappeared, along with Manangoi's 15 other brothers, as well as sisters, who were all going to be world class too.
I applaud you for not having one of your volcanic temper tantrums. We can agree to disagree about the value of rabbits, as you say, lights matter too. Has anyone ever soloed a 3:27? Surely Jakob has not? Rabbits matter a lot. I will also add that Jakob has NEVER run a race superior to Timothy Cheruiyot in Doha in 2019, faster yes but not superior.
I think you may be very wrong -Jakob’s Silesia race last year might have been a 3.27 high solo (very little help from the pacers)..! And his 3.26.73 is neither that far away from a high 3.27 un paced…
With some luck Jakob may do a 3.27 in Paris. He then must avoid too much time loss in the first bend, and he must also probably improve his Monaco shape with 0.5 sec (realistic in my view by the last two weeks preparations)…
So why could Jakob do this 3.27 in a way nobody has done before? Well, reread Salvitore’s posts -I think he hit the nail here..!
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I agree that Tim C is lacking tools to beat both Jakob and Josh, but man does Hocker know how to close fast...And even in a fast race (not an ultra fast one).
Jonathan Gault mentioned that he picks Josh Kerr ahead of Timothy and Jakob to be Olympic Champion in the 1500m final!!!!!
It makes sense and Jonathan is right on the money!!!!!Josh is just as capable of 3:26:73 as Jakob. Jonathan said Danny Mackey watched how Josh nailed a 400x8 in 54 seconds each with 90 seconds rest in carbon plated supershoes and that was worth a 3:26 itself. Danny thinks Josh runs 3:26 in Monaco with Jakob but wasn't sure if it beat him.
I agree with all these points including the fact that Jonathan confirms Josh Kerr to be the superior kicker than Jakob a point which I have painstakingly reiterated endlessly since a few weeks ago and Jonathan can see it too!!!!
Jonathan didn't mention, however, that Josh Kerr is able to spread his legs hence his stride wider and larger in the final 100m sprint while maintaining the same cadence frequency as the rest of the competitors and this would be the determining factor for who reaches the finish line first. It's not the one who will turnover his legs faster, it's the one who can STRIDE HIS WAY to the finish line with the largest stride!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remember how El G outkicked Bekele in Athens 2004?????? Jos Hermans commented that El G was just 'opening up his legs' like striding when he overtook Bekele and it looked so easy and effortless while Bekele was struggling to turnover his legs at a higher frequency as he had maxxed out his stride length but still failed to match El G and lost the race!!!!!
Same thing when El G overtook Lagat down the homestretch in the 1500m at Athens. He merely strode larger and opened up his legs wider and further to inch ahead of Lagat while Lagat had maxxed out his stride length and also resorting to turning over his legs at a higher frequency to catch El G but it didn't work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So in everything whether trying to get a WR in the mile/1500m or trying to win its major championships the defining factor for stardom and success, unlike in the marathon, is really about how wide you can open those legs of yours and how much real estate you can cover in 1 stride because the stride frequency is fixed at its natural frequency for the attendant stride length. Stride frequency is not something you shall force upon yourself, it's stride length that you force because you need to drive your legs into the ground and push off as far as you can in the finishing kick!!!!!!!
A good sprinter don't go into the finishing straight and think 'oh let's turnover my legs faster at a higher cadence' IF he can rather just open up his legs and allow them to determine and decide the elastic coefficient of natural frequency of its cadence with no conscious thought control going into it. Only athletes who don't have the ability to spread their legs, hence don't have the talent to run or sprint who resorts to trying to turnover their legs faster using conscious thought hence wasting precious energy thinking they will still beat those who spread their legs wider and spank them in the finishing straight!!!!
I thought the question was whether Tim is in the same shape today as he was in Doha 2019.
Tim and Manangoi continued to train together while Manangoi was suspended (contrary to AIU rules which should have seen Tim and others in the Rongei camp suspended). Manangoi posted on Social Media pictures of himself training with Tim (and El K posted them here).
Whether or not you cling to the belief that not only is Tim clean, but Manangoi was too, the objective fact is that Tim benefited from having a training partner who was as fast or faster than himself, and who was then suspended under anti-doping rules.
Tim developed a 'baulky hamstring' as soon as Manangoi was banned. Just as Manangoi's little brother, who had beaten Jakob in the World Juniors, suddenly dropped off a cliff and then ran away and joined the army.
Not to mention all those up-and coming other world beating talents that Rongei was producing that have disappeared, along with Manangoi's 15 other brothers, as well as sisters, who were all going to be world class too.
First 2 paragraphs are going to ignore as you sound like the type of person who’d call in minute golfing violations you see on TV. Like you know when the pictures were from and the AIU doesn’t enforce their own rules…
Tim developed his hamstring injury in late September of 2020 , which was a couple months after Manangoi’s provisional suspension in July. I’m not an expert on George Manangoi.
Vincent Keter has developed pretty well as has Alex Ngeno Kipngetich (now outside of Rongai).
The fixation on training partners as some huge benefit is misplaced when you consider Josh Kerr’s best training partner is Henry Wynne, and Jake Wightmans is the phenom Thomas Keen. Jakob similarly with his brothers.
Still harping on Manangois whereabouts violations despite Tim’s PB coming in 2021 through a balky hamstring. And throwing out doping allegations haphazardly for a well-respected athlete
I thought the question was whether Tim is in the same shape today as he was in Doha 2019.
Tim and Manangoi continued to train together while Manangoi was suspended (contrary to AIU rules which should have seen Tim and others in the Rongei camp suspended). Manangoi posted on Social Media pictures of himself training with Tim (and El K posted them here).
Whether or not you cling to the belief that not only is Tim clean, but Manangoi was too, the objective fact is that Tim benefited from having a training partner who was as fast or faster than himself, and who was then suspended under anti-doping rules.
Tim developed a 'baulky hamstring' as soon as Manangoi was banned. Just as Manangoi's little brother, who had beaten Jakob in the World Juniors, suddenly dropped off a cliff and then ran away and joined the army.
Not to mention all those up-and coming other world beating talents that Rongei was producing that have disappeared, along with Manangoi's 15 other brothers, as well as sisters, who were all going to be world class too.
Still harping on Manangois whereabouts violations despite Tim’s PB coming in 2021 through a balky hamstring. And throwing out doping allegations haphazardly for a well-respected athlete
I thought the question was whether Tim is in the same shape today as he was in Doha 2019.
Tim and Manangoi continued to train together while Manangoi was suspended (contrary to AIU rules which should have seen Tim and others in the Rongei camp suspended). Manangoi posted on Social Media pictures of himself training with Tim (and El K posted them here).
Whether or not you cling to the belief that not only is Tim clean, but Manangoi was too, the objective fact is that Tim benefited from having a training partner who was as fast or faster than himself, and who was then suspended under anti-doping rules.
Tim developed a 'baulky hamstring' as soon as Manangoi was banned. Just as Manangoi's little brother, who had beaten Jakob in the World Juniors, suddenly dropped off a cliff and then ran away and joined the army.
Not to mention all those up-and coming other world beating talents that Rongei was producing that have disappeared, along with Manangoi's 15 other brothers, as well as sisters, who were all going to be world class too.
Yes dear Coevett, you a UK folk too??? I'm all for the UK man!!!!!
And yes, Tim can be legitimately considered a possible doping threat and you do a good job of finding the susceptibility of space-time of Tim's circumstances and how they seem very poised for PEDs based on the set of space-time events you identified about him and him with Manangoi.
While as for me, I do a good job of doing something similar to what you did by pointing out how the Hockers and Fishers from America have equally susceptible space-time circumstances that encodes for secretive doping. Fisher shockingly went to take a flight mid-way through an Olympic trials to go back to Salt Lake City which is even more shocking because it's at 1600m altitude. While Hocker shockingly closed a 3:30 race in 52, and, the way he smoked Nuguse shocked me even more.
Thanks for doing your part for keeping the sport clean, while I do my part to clean up American distance running!!!
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I thought the question was whether Tim is in the same shape today as he was in Doha 2019.
Tim and Manangoi continued to train together while Manangoi was suspended (contrary to AIU rules which should have seen Tim and others in the Rongei camp suspended). Manangoi posted on Social Media pictures of himself training with Tim (and El K posted them here).
Whether or not you cling to the belief that not only is Tim clean, but Manangoi was too, the objective fact is that Tim benefited from having a training partner who was as fast or faster than himself, and who was then suspended under anti-doping rules.
Tim developed a 'baulky hamstring' as soon as Manangoi was banned. Just as Manangoi's little brother, who had beaten Jakob in the World Juniors, suddenly dropped off a cliff and then ran away and joined the army.
Not to mention all those up-and coming other world beating talents that Rongei was producing that have disappeared, along with Manangoi's 15 other brothers, as well as sisters, who were all going to be world class too.
Are you ok, darling?
My Coevett is completely mentally sound and doing fine! Like me, he is strong advocate against immorality especially PEDs. Like me, he has the unique skills to assess the susceptibility of space-time of a high performance athlete for the purposes of finding out if he might be doping in secret.
And I believe Coevett is a UK folk and I love all things about the UK. Did you see this video yet? I can't believe Josh Kerr just got named TEAM GB CAPTAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's my dream come true to see my man Josh finally lead a team into battle, WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Congrats Josh KERR, if you are reading this I want you to know I absolutely love you so much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are good-looking, well-spoken, beautiful Scottish accent, physically well-built like a ROCK, best sprinter and miler of the modern generation, and a definitely 3:26:xx 1500m right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh, I Khamis wants to hear your team speech tonight!!!!!!
I agree that Tim C is lacking tools to beat both Jakob and Josh, but man does Hocker know how to close fast...And even in a fast race (not an ultra fast one).
For the sake of the moral practice of American distance sport, Hocker needs to fail big time in Paris. I won't hold back my disgust about him, it's better he pulls up lame in the rounds or final and goes home in shame. There is no place for dirty runners in God's heaven.
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