How tired is the term "gun violence" -- as if the guns do any violence whatsoever. Sort of like "plane violence" when people happen to die in a plane crash, "car violence" when people are killed by cars, or "water violence" for drownings accidental or otherwise... And let's not forget "pill violence" and "garbage food violence", which kill more people than the rest combined.
Guns are tools. They may save many more than they kill. But those statistics aren't easy to collect and are rarely publicized. And anyway, other far more dangerous killer items don't get the word "violence" appended to them as if they, and not their users, are the things responsible for the killing.
absurd
no other developed nation has nearly as many guns as the US, so easily obtained and a major political party devoted to putting more guns out into the nation.
as a result
no other developed nation has as high a murder rate . Our murder rate is multiple times that of Europe. Multiple times.
and that's leaving out the suicides that might not have happened w/o the guns.
it's the guns. They are the cause of our very high murder rate.
it's the guns. And the GOP.
You know that an argument is silly when it starts off by calling something 'absurd' and then goes on to talk about false dichotomies like those between US political parties and 'developed' vs 'undeveloped' countries.
The GOP is almost as corrupt as the other ones... The only correct path is a rejection of both and an understanding that they are the same for all intents and purposes. There is no such thing as a 'developed nation'. That's a term used to glorify the capture of a people by technocratic corporate stationary bandits -- framing such developments as 'progress' when there is no surer path to a highly-undesirable technocratic feudalism.
The main important metric is whether or not widespread ownership of weapons mitigates a larger risk to life and limb. What would that larger risk look like? It could look like gulags, quarantine camps, being forced to take virtually untested pharmaceutical products, that themselves kill untold thousands and cripple many more. Ask the disarmed residents of 'developed' country Australia how that went. Ask the disarmed residents of China how that went -- and how it has been going for those in the western regions... Or perhaps China isn't considered 'developed?' Who knows? Who cares?
Even if your head is in the sand about the various ways governments (and chiefly among them the US government) don't exist for the safety and service of their residents, it cannot be disputed that most of the killing in the world during the last couple of centuries was done by governments, for profit (and recently mainly for crony government profits, and not by angry grandmothers with nothing to loose, petty criminals, or jealous lovers.
Two of my grandparents were trucked to a gulag by "their" government, another was sent to live in an orphanage abroad for fear that "his" government would capture and kill him. You'd call the conditions under which these things happened 'developed.' And yet they were defenseless. The mercenary communists and jackboots that persecuted them did not fear for their lives when round them up. They were solidly outgunned. The American people are not outgunned at the present time, though rapid advancements in robots stand to disturb that balance and people will have to invest in more technologically sophisticated weaponry to keep some semblance of a power balance with the government in the years ahead.
I don't know from where the ahistorical impression of government as protector arises. Perhaps you were raised in a government school, and trained by government employees?
Get armed, get trained, and get ready. The more folks who are ready, the less chance of anyone needing to use the training in a downside scenario.
Hispanic means you speak Spanish. It is neither an ethnicity nor a race. But there are folks trying to get people to identify along those lines in a sort of 'divide and conquer' scheme.
These last two messages absolutely feel like Russian trolls just arguing back and forth with each other to sow discord.
It's really, really pathetic. Both that they'd waste their time doing it, and that the idiot Brojos have no interest in stopping it.
"Why can't we still find a way to make everything about the Russians"
Feels like a James Bond writer's room in the mid 1990s.
Funny when they then came up with the movie where the corporate media mogul was manipulating governments in a sort of "Nightcrawler" way. Art imitates life.
The biggest danger Americans face is their own government. Has been that way for over a century. Hard to know if The Russians ever were a serious threat, or if the threat was overstated as a way to justify cronyism and control, as it is today.
I speak Spanish and am of Irish, German, Scot, and Swedish ancestry.
I am not Hispanic.
Goes the other way, too.
Try going to Miami and telling someone who is white by any objective standard and who speaks Spanish that they aren't Hispanic when their ancestors came from Cuba, Colombia, or even Spain.
Hispanic as a "race" is a relatively recent tool of cultural Marxism.
All red herrings being discussed as opposed to the real truth. That the USA has a mental illness epidemic and it is downstream of the Greed is Good/hyper competitive society, where there are only 2 kinds of people Winners and Losers.
I've been watching loads of police camera footage. Always mental illness involved. Sometimes off the cops. As we saw with the recent robocop killer of a troubled woman. We already know all of his fundamental views of the world, including black people and people with little money. THE PTB like to rule like this encouraging the police to be at war with the population. And it based on wealth not race!
Wealth and privilege wants all the bananas and knows full well it'll leave half the country in misery. So the need to have the bootboys seeing the population as the enemy.
Indiana doesn't have a gun crime problem like Chicago.
Leftists will never understand something so simple and obvious. States like Montana, Wyoming, and West Virginia are covered up with guns, with nearly every person having one or two guns. Yet they have among the lowest violent crime and gun violence in the nation.
Guns are just a tool . If you hypothetically were able to take all the guns out of places like Chicago or Baltimore, they would still have among the highest murder rates in the nation...but would just be killing each other with knives, or crowbars. Crime is a MORAL issue. It's not a tool issue. It's related to the type of people you have in society -- their beliefs/morals/ethics.
Except when they're "Christians" and the head of the county Republican party in a "red" state murdering people over a child custody dispute-
All red herrings being discussed as opposed to the real truth. That the USA has a mental illness epidemic and it is downstream of the Greed is Good/hyper competitive society, where there are only 2 kinds of people Winners and Losers.
I've been watching loads of police camera footage. Always mental illness involved. Sometimes off the cops. As we saw with the recent robocop killer of a troubled woman. We already know all of his fundamental views of the world, including black people and people with little money. THE PTB like to rule like this encouraging the police to be at war with the population. And it based on wealth not race!
Wealth and privilege wants all the bananas and knows full well it'll leave half the country in misery. So the need to have the bootboys seeing the population as the enemy.
You know I'm right! But it hurts doesn't it!
even average citizens of the poorest states, even poor deep Republican Mississippi or even poor deep Republican Alabama, are richer than the average European.
So no, it's not about money/losers/winners.
SOMEHOW Europe manages to keep its homicide rate at a tiny fraction of the US.
Gee I wonder what it is...maybe guns? Could it be the guns and the Republican Party?
Hard for mentally ill people to kill another person without a gun. Easy to do it with a gun.
You know I'm right! But it hurts, doesn't it!
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even average citizens of the poorest states, even poor deep Republican Mississippi or even poor deep Republican Alabama, are richer than the average European.
So no, it's not about money/losers/winners.
SOMEHOW Europe manages to keep its homicide rate at a tiny fraction of the US.
Gee I wonder what it is...maybe guns? Could it be the guns and the Republican Party?
Hard for mentally ill people to kill another person without a gun. Easy to do it with a gun.
You know I'm right! But it hurts, doesn't it!
It's not whites driving the murder rate in Louisiana (New Orleans), Maryland (Baltimore), etc
Imagine being a track coach at a university and when you're tragically killed the most popular track message board on the Internet is just political debate bs. Even if it's spam it's still terrible.
Rest in peace coach, may your family, friends, and athletes get through their grief in their own time.
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