I'm 20 and never had a relationship. Is the problem me or women?

More than a trifle smarmy and obsequious!

You can't be serious. You think women are any different on dating apps than meeting them by chance in person? Spoken like someone who can't get any women but will lie and say you pull nothing less than 9s.

Don't listen to these haters. the problem, invariably, is everyone else. Never you.

i should clarify my comment yesterday and say a lot of the girls i hung out with or dated, back in the day, were athletes or siblings of them. chill out with the girls' team before/during meet. girls from other teams watching us play. recovery swims in the college pool with soccer girls my roommate was daying. even some of the girls i have met since, often played something. it's another thing in common. you don't have to abandon that, just don't be only that.

side point but if people are on the other team at school you might see them for years so you have to be cool. but then i think half the problem with guys in your spot is you want to 0-100 mph these things to an exclusive dating thing. just hang out with people and have fun. let "more" be a natural thing. don't rush or force things.

Have you considered sharing that with a psychologist?

Well, I just think you answered your own question. I won’t date anyone below a 6.2475 myself. I do like to round to the thousandth though for determining that.

Thanks for the reply, but I do have varied interests: in no particular order - crypto, chess, trading, and betting. These are 4 different ones so I'd view that as well rounded

So you’re a crypto bro who probably loves Musk? And you make crypto and running your whole personality?

The issue is probably conversation, then. No interest in art, literature, music, cinema, history, social sciences (other than Econ), other cultures, languages, travel, health (other than your running)? All four things you listed are bro-hobbies (and maybe a well-paying job, if you’re good at them). There’s not gonna be a lot to talk about on a date. I’m a stats-head, myself, but always had a strong interest in art. I ended up marrying an art history major (who, of course, later became a lawyer).

It’s completely different lmao

Internal happiness doesn't come from women - it comes from running a Sub-9:00 3200

You broke 4!

For your next date queue up a documentary on Roger Bannister and the 4 minute barrier. Once they fully appreciate the magnitude of such an achievement, mic drop, they are in the presence of greatness.

Maybe in HS scrawny distance runner guys have a chance. But by college, even scrawny distance runner girls can get chads and football players…

So yeah, hit the gym

It only took me 2-3 of consistent strength training and eating more to start getting female attention after being a scrawny distance runner myself

Don’t be in such a hurry.

Paying bills, working, trying to stay healthy and women. That’s all the hell one man can stand.

You need an older seasoned woman bro. Find you a 43 year divorcee with a few kids

It's impossible to get a woman who hasn't been run through. 23 and it's once in a blue moon

It's women. Keep doing what you've been doing, they'll come around.

Don’t be in a hurry.

women are demons from the lower reaches. They age you. I mean, they really age you. They are smarter than men and if a man is a real man he rarely wins an argument

The only thing worse than being with them, is being without them.

Enjoy the solitude of being without. Soon enough you’ll find one, we all do and the solitude ends.